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[Reelya]

@Neonivek: Chock full, not "chalked" full...

yeah, I noticed that too.

Also you "co-opt" something not "co-op"

[Aklyon]

Do they really need to drag this shitty attempt at making healthcare a thing they "improved" back up? We have enough stupid to deal with as it is with the president and the FCC chairman.

[smjjames]

Here's a more recent analysis, which is from the first Trumpcare proposal I believe: link.

The results are similar and for similar reasons.  Doing away with the individual mandate would mean that a lot of people would no longer get insurance, which would in turn cause premiums to increase due to health insurers shifting costs to the fewer people who do get insurance, which in turn causes some of them to stop getting it due to costs.

Rinse and repeat. No idea if that's the problem that was behind the crisis that led to Obama trying to fix it, but it seems like something that would lead to a crisis down the line.

Do they really need to drag this shitty attempt at making healthcare a thing they "improved" back up? We have enough stupid to deal with as it is with the president and the FCC chairman.

Yes, because they promised their consistuents for 6 years that they would repeal Obamacare and replace it with.... something. So, they're between a rock and a hard place.

Why can't they just leave the Obamacare framework there and try to fix whatever is wrong with it.

[Aklyon]

Do they really need to drag this shitty attempt at making healthcare a thing they "improved" back up? We have enough stupid to deal with as it is with the president and the FCC chairman.

Yes, because they promised their consistuents for 6 years that they would repeal Obamacare and replace it with.... something. So, they're between a rock and a hard place.

Why can't they just leave the Obamacare framework there and try to fix whatever is wrong with it.

Well then they come up with something actually better or they shut the fuck up. They have enough shit to ruin as it is.

[smjjames]

Do they really need to drag this shitty attempt at making healthcare a thing they "improved" back up? We have enough stupid to deal with as it is with the president and the FCC chairman.

Yes, because they promised their consistuents for 6 years that they would repeal Obamacare and replace it with.... something. So, they're between a rock and a hard place.

Why can't they just leave the Obamacare framework there and try to fix whatever is wrong with it.

Well then they come up with something actually better or they shut the fuck up. They have enough shit to ruin as it is.

Somehow they can't come up with something better. They had years to come up with something.

[redwallzyl]

Frankly I'm amazed that people actually believed them when they said that.

[nenjin]

"Hope is a dangerous thing. Hope can drive a man crazy."

[Playergamer]

Well, to those demanding armed revolution, it's never been easier in this country to buy a gun.

No. Just, no.

We don't shoot people who disagree with us, even if they do really stupid shit while doing so. There are few, very few, crimes worthy of armed retribution.

nobody here's saying "behead those who disagree" Draig.

we're just saying that the corrupt government pigs must be guillotined.

[alway]

Here's a more recent analysis, which is from the first Trumpcare proposal I believe: link.

The results are similar and for similar reasons.  Doing away with the individual mandate would mean that a lot of people would no longer get insurance, which would in turn cause premiums to increase due to health insurers shifting costs to the fewer people who do get insurance, which in turn causes some of them to stop getting it due to costs.

There are other reasons listed in the analysis, linked to changes in subsidies and Medicare expansion.  I'm less versed on the details of those, so I'll just trust the CBO report.

In addition, IIRC, various estimates put the corpse count as a result of Trumpcare at somewhere in the range of 24,000 to 42,000 a year (and that was before they made it more extreme by dropping preexisting condition protection); or about 100 dead a day. Probably thousands a day maimed. If they left Obamacare in place, and opted to simply set off a car bomb every day in a crowded city instead, it would almost certainly be the less violent option.

[Neonivek]

Yes but you are forgetting something.

They deserve it for not paying for insurgence. Trump pays for his insurance.

Well ok, he doesn't actually pay his own health insurance he gets his business to pay for it for him...

[TheDarkStar]

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[Strife26]

Here's a more recent analysis, which is from the first Trumpcare proposal I believe: link.

The results are similar and for similar reasons.  Doing away with the individual mandate would mean that a lot of people would no longer get insurance, which would in turn cause premiums to increase due to health insurers shifting costs to the fewer people who do get insurance, which in turn causes some of them to stop getting it due to costs.

There are other reasons listed in the analysis, linked to changes in subsidies and Medicare expansion.  I'm less versed on the details of those, so I'll just trust the CBO report.

In addition, IIRC, various estimates put the corpse count as a result of Trumpcare at somewhere in the range of 24,000 to 42,000 a year (and that was before they made it more extreme by dropping preexisting condition protection); or about 100 dead a day. Probably thousands a day maimed. If they left Obamacare in place, and opted to simply set off a car bomb every day in a crowded city instead, it would almost certainly be the less violent option.

Projections that put Trumpcare at over 1% of deaths in the US and taking the number 10th spot for "by cause"?

Lemee throw a citation needed on that.

[alway]

Here's a more recent analysis, which is from the first Trumpcare proposal I believe: link.

The results are similar and for similar reasons.  Doing away with the individual mandate would mean that a lot of people would no longer get insurance, which would in turn cause premiums to increase due to health insurers shifting costs to the fewer people who do get insurance, which in turn causes some of them to stop getting it due to costs.

There are other reasons listed in the analysis, linked to changes in subsidies and Medicare expansion.  I'm less versed on the details of those, so I'll just trust the CBO report.

In addition, IIRC, various estimates put the corpse count as a result of Trumpcare at somewhere in the range of 24,000 to 42,000 a year (and that was before they made it more extreme by dropping preexisting condition protection); or about 100 dead a day. Probably thousands a day maimed. If they left Obamacare in place, and opted to simply set off a car bomb every day in a crowded city instead, it would almost certainly be the less violent option.

Projections that put Trumpcare at over 1% of deaths in the US and taking the number 10th spot for "by cause"?

Lemee throw a citation needed on that.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/14/14921962/ahca-mortality-gun-homicides
Studies cited on the second half of that article.

[Playergamer]

Well, to those demanding armed revolution, it's never been easier in this country to buy a gun.

No. Just, no.

We don't shoot people who disagree with us, even if they do really stupid shit while doing so. There are few, very few, crimes worthy of armed retribution.

nobody here's saying "behead those who disagree" Draig.

we're just saying that the corrupt government pigs must be guillotined.

I wasn't even saying that. I was saying "piss or get off the pot".

I've got plenty of guns, but I also know that John Parker got shot. Somebody else can go first. 

Edit: huh, John Parker actually wasn't shot...maybe I will start that revolution then.

[Strife26]

That's some torturing of numbers equal to Twain's quote. Statistics founded on assumption based on comparing the lost coverage as a result of an unfinished bill based on the decrease in mortality in States that expanded medicaid coverage.