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Re: AmeriPol thread: Trump Immigration Boogaloo edition
« Reply #1755 on: February 14, 2017, 01:03:09 am »

Funny how the liberal government of Canada is doing similar things as to what Trump is doing.

Not sure what that would entail, mostly sounds like people who don't actually live in Canada don't get a free pass into Canada if they have a Canadian citizenship/passport?

It is more that the bill is there to appease the American government... which is a shame but Canada has been known to screw itself over to avoid the ire of the USA. Rather than the Liberal Canadian Government being all for hurting our citizens in that way.

But the Bill has only been proposed... it still has to pass.

Before we get all jumpy, let's consult the bill itself, shall we?

OHH GAWD bills are sooooooo long! and just like Canadian law... to have laws that refer to other laws that refer to other laws.

But your right maybe it is a lot more reasonable then the article makes it seem... maybe it is more about protecting Canadian citizens so the USA doesn't go "Well they are on our side of the border... we will now torture them and there is nothing you can do Canada" they instead have to go "Well, we have a deal with the Canadians... We can detain you... but we can't torture you"
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Trump Immigration Boogaloo edition
« Reply #1756 on: February 14, 2017, 01:05:14 am »

Before we get all jumpy, let's consult the bill itself, shall we?

I'm not worried about it myself (don't even have a Canadian citizenship), was just not sure what it does exactly since the article itself was kind of ambigous on it.
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Trump Immigration Boogaloo edition
« Reply #1757 on: February 14, 2017, 01:14:16 am »

I'm surprised we just rolled over the Flynn thing though. That seems like big news. Or have we just got tired of interrogating Trump's ties to Russia and/or staffing issues?
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Trump Immigration Boogaloo edition
« Reply #1758 on: February 14, 2017, 01:17:08 am »

The Flynn thing was, in a word, inevitable, anyway.

He'd been having problems for a while and knives started to be metaphorically out for him pretty recently, so, it was only a matter of time.
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Trump Immigration Boogaloo edition
« Reply #1759 on: February 14, 2017, 01:18:11 am »

Besides, isn't this staffing scandal #4 or 5 anyhow? It seems pretty normal.
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Trump Immigration Boogaloo edition
« Reply #1760 on: February 14, 2017, 01:21:02 am »

Besides, isn't this staffing scandal #4 or 5 anyhow? It seems pretty normal.

Normal for Trump maybe, Obama and Bush 43 didn't have this much turmoil this early on.

I'd say it's the first staffing scandal with major, career-ending, fallout for Trump admin.
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Trump Immigration Boogaloo edition
« Reply #1761 on: February 14, 2017, 01:31:38 am »

I think a lot of people feel it's scraping the barrel of his approval rating at this point. For all intents and purposes the Trump admin more or less hit baseline rock bottom.
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« Reply #1762 on: February 14, 2017, 01:35:55 am »

They could still fall further though, they haven't hit Nixon's lowest point yet.

Though all indications are that he isn't going to give a damn about negative approval polls since they're all 'fake news'.
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Trump Immigration Boogaloo edition
« Reply #1763 on: February 14, 2017, 01:39:44 am »

So can Light whip off his Trump mask (and fatsuit) now to reveal how all this stupid shit was just as keikaku so he can step up and start gettin' freaky with Misa, through a series of ridiculous plots which somehow wound up with him running an absurd campaign against his old rival, L, who removed the bodysuit part of his Hillary costume, but for some reason left the mask on...
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Trump Immigration Boogaloo edition
« Reply #1764 on: February 14, 2017, 01:42:44 am »

They could still fall further though, they haven't hit Nixon's lowest point yet.

Though all indications are that he isn't going to give a damn about negative approval polls since they're all 'fake news'.

Pretty sure he cares. He's just surrounded by a lot of flatterers. It's a bit like saying he doesn't care about SNL when all signs point to him really caring about SNL. Anyway, We hit bush's lowest point, and it took Bush43 a lot of well, issues before he hit this low point. Including Hurricane Katrina and the Iraq War. I mean, it will likely drop even further, but we're at the point where a major scandal is as expected.
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« Reply #1765 on: February 14, 2017, 01:51:40 am »

They could still fall further though, they haven't hit Nixon's lowest point yet.

Though all indications are that he isn't going to give a damn about negative approval polls since they're all 'fake news'.

Pretty sure he cares. He's just surrounded by a lot of flatterers. It's a bit like saying he doesn't care about SNL when all signs point to him really caring about SNL. Anyway, We hit bush's lowest point, and it took Bush43 a lot of well, issues before he hit this low point. Including Hurricane Katrina and the Iraq War. I mean, it will likely drop even further, but we're at the point where a major scandal is as expected.

He kind of had pre-scandals before he was elected. The whole Russian thing is still brewing and has potential to erupt in a major scandal, depending on what actually happened during the campaign.

Didn't help that he alienated a massive chunk of the general election consistuency (of which a significantly large chunk still hated Trump, but hated Clinton more).

There is the fact that he has been acting like an amateur, but that's because he IS an amateur, and is going through a lot of growing pains, so to speak. Yes, it tends to make us laughingstocks, but that's what people voted for am I rite?

The resigning of Flynn could actually stabilize things though.
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Trump Immigration Boogaloo edition
« Reply #1766 on: February 14, 2017, 01:57:58 am »

I'm surprised we just rolled over the Flynn thing though. That seems like big news. Or have we just got tired of interrogating Trump's ties to Russia and/or staffing issues?
Mostly because there's almost nothing new there. Flynn communicated with Russia about removing sanctions, almost certainly on Trump's orders. We know this already and have for weeks.

Republicans will not impeach nor stand up to nor disagree with Trump in any way that actually matters (see also: the Republicans who voted against DeVos first checking with party leadership to ensure it wouldn't actually have an effect on the outcome); and that's because they fundamentally agree with nearly everything he is doing because all of those terrible things are precisely what their party line endorses. This continues to be the case.

The only vaguely new thing here is the bit about Russia potentially having kompromat on Flynn to blackmail him with. Which itself is not terribly surprising given how amazing this regime of halfwits is with spreading their classified documents out across a table in public while talking about them within visible range of others.

It's good that one of his alt-right cronies is gone and will (hopefully but not likely) lose any semblance of a career after this; and as such is a small victory, but there's hardly much else that's news there until the chain of evidence leads back to others in the regime.
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Trump Immigration Boogaloo edition
« Reply #1767 on: February 14, 2017, 02:07:37 am »

To take a step back for a moment... The Republicans got here by being the anti-Obama party and forgetting that Obama wasn't permanent. The Democrats would do well to be cautious, and remember that a strong ideological foundation is essential to a party that will remain strong itself.

They must be Superman's Americans.
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Trump Immigration Boogaloo edition
« Reply #1768 on: February 14, 2017, 02:09:16 am »

Surely there's something interesting in the fact that he resigned an hour after the Washington Post broke the story about Yates warning the Administration about the Russia call.
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« Reply #1769 on: February 14, 2017, 02:21:06 am »

Surely there's something interesting in the fact that he resigned an hour after the Washington Post broke the story about Yates warning the Administration about the Russia call.

Maybe it's just the straw that broke the camels back? *shrug*

To take a step back for a moment... The Republicans got here by being the anti-Obama party and forgetting that Obama wasn't permanent. The Democrats would do well to be cautious, and remember that a strong ideological foundation is essential to a party that will remain strong itself.

They must be Superman's Americans.

I'm gonna note that the image isn't particularily diverse, one hispanic/black teenager and an asian kid, the rest are white. Not sure why the asian kid is a kid and not a teenager/young adult like the rest though.
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