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[Demonic Spoon]

*Coughblatantspeculationcough*

Not really. Most of this is based on previous commentary from KJP or outright specified in the rules.

You're doing great with the passive-aggressiveness like usual though.

[Ardent Debater]

Thank you for the answers, Demonic Spoon, though I'll wait for Kilojoule Proton before deciding on anything. I meant to say Fluff, not Cliff, autocorrect is the bane of my existence.

By incorporeal I don't mean impossible to touch, just that they aren't physically present in the Mortal World but are technically there, just unable to do anything but watch and subtly influence mortals with the right mindset. They'd be impossible to detect to anyone without Magic detection abilities/Godly help, unless summoned, or rarely, ((once every decade or two)) when they manifest, in which case they do nothing to conceal themselves.

*Coughblatantspeculationcough*

Not really. Most of this is based on previous commentary from KJP or outright specified in the rules.

You're doing great the passive-aggressiveness like usual though.

I doubt Iram will be the primary source of conflict in this World. Also, yipee! Disks and color changing red water!

[micelus]

I doubt Iram will be the primary source of conflict in this World.

Please do try however. Mavnon will really appreciate it.

[Ardent Debater]

I doubt Iram will be the primary source of conflict in this World.

Please do try however. Mavnon will really appreciate it.

Oh don't worry, there will be conflict, one way or another...

[Stirk]

*Coughblatantspeculationcough*

Not really. Most of this is based on previous commentary from KJP or outright specified in the rules.

You're doing great with the passive-aggressiveness like usual though.

Thanks! Your's could use a little work though.

Thank you for the answers, Demonic Spoon, though I'll wait for Kilojoule Proton before deciding on anything. I meant to say Fluff, not Cliff, autocorrect is the bane of my existence.

By incorporeal I don't mean impossible to touch, just that they aren't physically present in the Mortal World but are technically there, just unable to do anything but watch and subtly influence mortals with the right mindset. They'd be impossible to detect to anyone without Magic detection abilities/Godly help, unless summoned, or rarely, ((once every decade or two)) when they manifest, in which case they do nothing to conceal themselves.

I doubt Iram will be the primary source of conflict in this World. Also, yipee! Disks and color changing red water!

Don't worry, his death will be swift .

[gman8181]

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Spoiler: Dimma (click to show/hide)

Race that can shapeshift into any form (animate or inanimate) but while retaining their own racial stats (they do not become stronger, or sturdier from shifting into something that would normally be stronger or sturdier). Preferred form is somewhat fog like and insubstantial. Can slowly heal from all wounds. Long-lived and quick breeding but incredibly weak. Despite this, their somewhat insubstantial form makes them difficult to harm by most physical methods. They are very cunning and love to try and trick others into making pacts using magic (lawmancy?). Generally speaking, they spend much of their time plotting against both their own race and outsiders in order to gain more influence and power.

In summation of traits I think they'd have:
Limited shapeshifting (Pretty much just appearances)
Long Life Span
Quick Breeding
Heals all wounds slowly (Mostly fluff I guess? Just seemed right because they're fog like entities.)
Advanced Race with generally low physical stat distribution and higher non-physical stats
Some form of physical damage reduction?
Lawmancy magic for pacts? (Maybe +1 magic traits if more than lawmancy is needed for pacts)
Cunning nature and lots of discrete internal / external conflict resulting in somewhat high mortality rate unless led by strong leader?

Sorry, that might be a bit to look through.

[piratejoe]

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Spoiler: Dimma (click to show/hide)

Race that can shapeshift into any form (animate or inanimate) but while retaining their own racial stats (they do not become stronger, or sturdier from shifting into something that would normally be stronger or sturdier). Preferred form is somewhat fog like and insubstantial. Can slowly heal from all wounds. Long-lived and quick breeding but incredibly weak. Despite this, their somewhat insubstantial form makes them difficult to harm by most physical methods. They are very cunning and love to try and trick others into making pacts using magic (lawmancy?). Generally speaking, they spend much of their time plotting against both their own race and outsiders in order to gain more influence and power.

In summation of traits I think they'd have:
Limited shapeshifting (Pretty much just appearances)
Long Life Span
Quick Breeding
Heals all wounds slowly (Mostly fluff I guess? Just seemed right because they're fog like entities.)
Advanced Race with generally low physical stat distribution and higher non-physical stats
Some form of physical damage reduction?
Lawmancy magic for pacts? (Maybe +1 magic traits if more than lawmancy is needed for pacts)
Cunning nature and lots of discrete internal / external conflict resulting in somewhat high mortality rate unless led by strong leader?

Sorry, that might be a bit to look through.

... now my E'lai aren't special anymore....

Which of the following ideas do you like the most? Not IC, which one OOC you think is best.

- Strong, Durable, Overenthusiastic, Very Talented at Warfare, and Ignorant but prone to rare bouts of Wisdom, miniature Irams with a Spartan/Norse/Neolithic Warrior Culture and a tendency to wage constant war on/raid and pillage each other and their neighbors.

- Weak, Clumsy, Short-Lived, Primitive, and Stupid but Fast Breeding, Constantly Beserk, Talented at Warfare, and Extremely Impulsive Animalistic Goatmen with a tendency to form massive nomadic Hordes.

- Not a mortal race, but a race of ageless, mostly incorporeal, capable of slowly reproducing, extremely weak, vaguely demonic, ((Warhammer 40k fans, think Khornate)) Divine Servants that watch over Battles and guide slain Warriors to a War based afterlife if they choose to follow them instead of going to reincarnate/going to their Deity's afterlife. Along with inspiring Warriors in their dreams before a Battle, giving the particularly bloodthirsty increased fury and bravery in a fight, and inspiring mortals to deeds of unneccessesary violence, anywhere from starting a bar fight to inspiring mortal civilizations to war. They could be temporarily summoned by a fanatical follower of Iram or a particularly violent or bloodthirsty and powerful mage to assist them in combat, as 12 feet tall, demonic embodiments of pure rage, savagery, and warfare incarnate, with 20x peak human attributes, masterful nonmagical combat skills and equipment, that passively inspire blind rage and heroic valor in all weak-willed mortals/followers of Iram around them. They generate a somewhat powerful anti-magic Field and under very rare circumstances, will appear in the midst of a fierce battle and undiscrimanately butcher their way through the throng, in an attempt to reach fight the strongest warriors on both sides. They may also appear to do battle with strong Warriors or Adventurers that desperately want to prove themselves in combat. If slain by mundane means, they vanish into a cloud of black ashes with the smell of sulfur and brimstone, and go back to Iram's afterlife to recuperate for a few centuries before going back to the material plane.

Obviously the 3rd one, cause warhammer 40k

[Kilojoule Proton]

hector13: 4 Basic races: If they're reasonably similar to each other on average, it would be fine as fluff for a single race. They probably take up multiple actions only when they have outright different tiers or wildly divergent stats.

Ardent Debater:
    1x30E Divine heroes vs 3x10E Epic heroes: Depends on the situation, I'd imagine, although the Divine hero definitely has a better chance of coming back from such a fight in a timely fashion. At the same time, having more heroes allows for more parallelization.
    Commanding agents: "Free" action, updated policy
    10E avatar vs 10E hero: Avatar, temporaries are often much better than permanents as DS mentioned
    Higher tiers and income: Worship is solely based on population units (an abstraction for actual population), but higher tiers do provide influence income which may help with the investment at low total incomes.
    Reproduction, lifespan: Fluff
    Tick length: IC: Completely unknown; OOC: Hopefully 24-48 hours
    Large landmark: Depends on crunch. Most things would be very cheap unless gods could probably benefit disproportionately from them (e.g. the Giant Library)
    Influence instead of Worship: At the moment, yes, but it is horribly inefficient. I'm looking for something better than the current delayed-partial-refund-on-public-expensives
    Subsist s. followers: In theory, yes. In practice, best not to until the system improves.

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gman8181: Dimma: It appears they've already been set as Advanced tier, but Elite tier may help with survivability. Advanced leaves very little room for physical attributes, but this may be intended

[gman8181]

... now my E'lai aren't special anymore....

Just noticed that you created a semi similar race.

I based my design off the concept of illusion/mirage like fog creatures who take on different shapes to scare people or coax them into a state of false security by appearing as something friendly or familiar. They don't gain their attributes because essentially they're still just a condensed fog like substance taking on different shapes. The pacts part is because it's one of my spheres.

I think despite the powers being somewhat similar, the concepts are probably different enough that they're both still unique.

Although I'm curious what other people think.

[Happy Demon]

Well, sorta got an idea for later, so...

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Spoiler: Slime People (click to show/hide)

Immortals

The Immortals are not a single creature, but creatures made of creatures.
These creatures, alone, are like blobs of slime. But as an Immortal, a high number of them work together, each serving a more specialized purpose.
The blobs aren't sapient themselves, but the Immortals are. Because in having a specialized brain slime, lets them reach sapience.
The resulting Immortal is humanoid, but with slimy skin, which is also quite weak. But with understanding of themselves, they can improve.
This improvement tends to shorten the lifespan of the blobs, so a strong and tough warrior needs to replace blobs more often.
This results in higher nutrient consumption, and as such, an Immortal military's size is limited by how much food is available.

An Immortal can replace parts of itself, whenever the parts get old. And as such, they can keep themselves young forever.
When an Immortal replaces it's brain, it takes some knowledge to do so perfectly (no loss of memory).
But once they know how to do so perfectly, they keep that knowledge. With other parts, they tend to lose muscle memory, which has to be retaught.
So warriors tend to hold onto their old parts even when they're weaker than a new one, due to familiarity.

When separate, the blobs reproduce with themselves. Splitting up.
When grouped up enough to become an Immortal, they can do more traditional reproduction, which is useful for genetic diversity.
The resulting newborn is naturally adept at staying together and working as an Immortal. Unlike blobs that combine to become an Immortal, and has to learn.
Those born can also be shaped by their parents, with the knowledge they gained in self improvement. Though sometimes they get things wrong.

[crazyabe]

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Spoiler: Cogknots (click to show/hide)

Name: Cogknots
Disc: Cogknots are Large Stone people, They Commonly have Red eyes. Their Blood is Blue. They are Very Strong and have a Diet of Minerals.

Spoiler: Ironwood Trees (click to show/hide)

Large Metal Trees which Rotate to keep The Suns light best Directed at their Leaves. Near their base they have a Gear like Shape. They can only Rotate to the Right.

[gman8181]

Alright, I'm going to revise the Dumma a bit and create them later.

Should I assume most racial traits are effectively fluff unless stated otherwise?

[Kilojoule Proton]

gman8181: Most traits except for magic and tech are "fluff" in that they don't have a fixed price but useful ones can still influence the final tier, which ideally takes into account traits that compensate for each other. When in doubt, feel free to price check or pick a tier and upgrade as necessary later

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Happy Demon: Slime people: Advanced-Elite

crazyabe:
    Cogknots: Probably Elite
    Ironwood trees: 0E

[gman8181]

So, I guess it's been a while since the last Ye Gods game I played. I think it was Round 2? I briefly looked at the rules for each to see what changed but does any kind soul want to give me a bit of a rundown on the most major changes just in case I missed something?

Down below is what I noticed so far and some of my thoughts on it for whatever that's worth.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Looks like the most major change is one world and by extension, I assume one bubble. Likewise, no afterlives that can hold living population probably means no alternate dimensions that can hold living population period. This seems to be an effort to prevent blokes from distancing themselves too much from the reach of other players. Something I admit to being guilty of in the past (although I don't regret it, it was fun ).

Removal of Flux and Ichor is a big one from round 2 but I'm already used to that from round 1. I suppose the increase of Essence cap is still a thing?

On that note, while I don't remember the formula for Essence gain in the old Ye Gods, it looks like it's currently well scaled for preventing gods with huge amounts of followers from having too much of an Essence income advantage over others. That'll probably force encourage the wise to engage in as much teamwork as possible.

Seems like race creation and generic racial modifiers have been simplified now. A good call in my opinion. At the very least, I would have gone crazy for calculating the birth and death rates of so many species with so many different traits. It seemed to overcomplicate things and promote excessive min-maxing. The basic tier system of ranks seems much easier to use even from a player's perspective.

No named / official Council? We did have the world creation vote but otherwise I don't see anything council like. Player made alliances seemed to work better anyway.

Magic seems similar. Technology was simplified(?) into a tier system. Limits are put in place to prevent races with significant tech advantages which did definitely occur in the past.

Contracts are an official thing now. I remember using them in the past but it's interesting that more people may have been using them for it to become an official aspect of the game stated in the rules.

I think that's all I noticed. Anything I missed? Anyone want to elaborate on anything?

[IcyTea31]

does any kind soul want to give me a bit of a rundown on the most major changes just in case I missed something?

You missed that there is now a limit to actions per turn. At current player count, 3 each of free and costly actions. Additional actions cost more E xor risk failure/perversion.

Magic seems similar.

This is about to change.