@ BFEL
I think I have already quote-blocked the original with my replies to the statements being discussed there. I looks to me like Sergarr has drunk the Stalin-era koolaid, and honestly believes that proper governance requires a government that is totally out of the public's control, and can thus say nonsense things A-la 1984 ministry of truth, and should be trusted implicitly.
Such an ideology denounces the idea that a state can exist solely for its own benefit, at the expense of its citizens/subjects, and thus does not actually serve the interests of those subjects-- nevermind the abundance of recent and historical examples of such states, and their component agencies. In so doing, it reaches a nonsensical conclusion that the machinations of a state's various apparatus are always to the benefit of those subjects, by securing a reliable status quo. It does not matter if you are a helot, and the spartans routinely murder you for sport and as a right of passage. The spartans are there for your interests! Why, without the spartans, who would protect you from those other city states!? (Dont you WANT to be protected!?)-- et al.
The acid test is to ask who benefits, REALLY, from such things as secret courts and secret laws. The obvious answer, is the state, and by extension, its component apparati. To such a state, the public are merely a resource to be utilized and controlled, hence the "need" for domestic psyops and propaganda.