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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Language Enrichment Edition
« Reply #16035 on: December 20, 2016, 04:18:47 am »

At that point I think european countries start threatening to cut trade deals for war crimes. :/
At the very least, US allies will not be pleased if Trump goes to war with Iran, if only because of the billions that are being invested in re-establishing trade with it.
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« Reply #16036 on: December 20, 2016, 04:42:05 am »

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« Reply #16037 on: December 20, 2016, 05:32:37 am »

You do know that this is all empty speculation, right? Especially since Europe, China and Russia would be against the US this time, and not just a little bit.
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« Reply #16038 on: December 20, 2016, 10:39:07 am »

You do know that this is all empty speculation, right? Especially since Europe, China and Russia would be against the US this time, and not just a little bit.
A lot of people in USA thinks that they can handily win against the entire world, if it was completely united against them. And neoconservatives are among the first ones to say so. The same neocons that invaded Iraq, and the same neocons that are now firmly entrenched in the USA government once again.
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« Reply #16039 on: December 20, 2016, 10:45:50 am »

You do know that this is all empty speculation, right? Especially since Europe, China and Russia would be against the US this time, and not just a little bit.
A lot of people in USA thinks that they can handily win against the entire world, if it was completely united against them. And neoconservatives are among the first ones to say so. The same neocons that invaded Iraq, and the same neocons that are now firmly entrenched in the USA government once again.

We'd put up a hell of a fight though.

At that point I think european countries start threatening to cut trade deals for war crimes. :/
At the very least, US allies will not be pleased if Trump goes to war with Iran, if only because of the billions that are being invested in re-establishing trade with it.

Yeah, the memory of the Iraq war debacle is still relatively fresh in Europe I'm pretty sure. Or rather it keeps getting reopened due to the continued instability in the MidEast.

A war with Iran would also only destabilize the MidEast even further.
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« Reply #16040 on: December 20, 2016, 03:20:59 pm »

You do know that this is all empty speculation, right? Especially since Europe, China and Russia would be against the US this time, and not just a little bit.
A lot of people in USA thinks that they can handily win against the entire world, if it was completely united against them. And neoconservatives are among the first ones to say so. The same neocons that invaded Iraq, and the same neocons that are now firmly entrenched in the USA government once again.

We'd put up a hell of a fight though.

And then lose among tens of millions dead.
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« Reply #16041 on: December 20, 2016, 03:25:35 pm »

You do know that this is all empty speculation, right? Especially since Europe, China and Russia would be against the US this time, and not just a little bit.
A lot of people in USA thinks that they can handily win against the entire world, if it was completely united against them. And neoconservatives are among the first ones to say so. The same neocons that invaded Iraq, and the same neocons that are now firmly entrenched in the USA government once again.

We'd put up a hell of a fight though.

And then lose among tens of millions dead.

If we're talking nukes, that'd be billions on both sides, if no nukes, yes, tens of millions dead, on both sides.
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« Reply #16042 on: December 20, 2016, 03:27:00 pm »

Dirty foreign invaders will be resisted to the last man women and child in the heartland of Murrica.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Language Enrichment Edition
« Reply #16043 on: December 20, 2016, 03:28:01 pm »

Assuming we discount the nukes, I think the USA could win v. all. Not in an "occupy and conquer" way, but we could win.

The biggest element is global trade. Order the Navy and the Air Force to destroy every boat and plane they see that isn't from America. Goodbye economy, goodbye a large chunk of food production.

Land invasions of Canada and Mexico are easily possible, at this point North America is basically secure. Then start mass bombarding random cities.

Continue on like this until the rest of the world starts tearing itself apart.


And this is why Donald Trump represents a problem. I suspect any conflict with Iran would be more of a boat-shooting war than an invasion, but you never know.
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« Reply #16044 on: December 20, 2016, 03:30:59 pm »

Dirty foreign invaders will be resisted to the last man women and child in the heartland of Murrica.
* martinuzz vows to take a bath before invading
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« Reply #16045 on: December 20, 2016, 03:34:03 pm »

Getting deep into sillyness and deep into AGG thread and alt-history here, heh.

Assuming we discount the nukes, I think the USA could win v. all. Not in an "occupy and conquer" way, but we could win.

The biggest element is global trade. Order the Navy and the Air Force to destroy every boat and plane they see that isn't from America. Goodbye economy, goodbye a large chunk of food production.

Land invasions of Canada and Mexico are easily possible, at this point North America is basically secure. Then start mass bombarding random cities.

Continue on like this until the rest of the world starts tearing itself apart.


And this is why Donald Trump represents a problem. I suspect any conflict with Iran would be more of a boat-shooting war than an invasion, but you never know.

Yeah, it's not at all clear that Trump would or can exercise restraint in a highly stressful situation. I'm sure he has had stressful deals before, but it's not the same thing while President.
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« Reply #16046 on: December 20, 2016, 03:35:15 pm »

Dirty foreign invaders will be resisted to the last man women and child in the heartland of Murrica.
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« Reply #16047 on: December 20, 2016, 03:38:29 pm »

We have more guns than people in the USA. A land invasion here is just as inadvisable as one in Asia.
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« Reply #16048 on: December 20, 2016, 03:39:37 pm »

Yeah, it's not at all clear that Trump would or can exercise restraint in a highly stressful situation. I'm sure he has had stressful deals before, but it's not the same thing while President.
I can fully envision him sitting at his special briefcase shouting 'you're fired' every time he launches another nuke, while laughing maniacally. In my mental image he looks like your typical looney tunes big bad wolf villain, and the presidential briefcase looks like a big pulsating red button.
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« Reply #16049 on: December 20, 2016, 03:39:55 pm »

Dirty foreign invaders will be resisted to the last man women and child in the heartland of Murrica.
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Clean foreign invaders will only be resisted to the second to last man, woman, and child.
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