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[Neonivek]

Anyhow... I had to check because people put words in Donald Trump's mouth all the freeken time.

So... Yeah... He is looking into banning Gay Marriage.

Though he is, apparently, for protecting homosexuals in the work place. Unless they are Trans. (which makes me look at his words closer and he said he would give homosexuals the SAME protections.)

[Sprin]

Gurentee if you or I were born into the same possision we couldn't turn it into billions

So your argument is because you don't know better, just trust him? Despite all the evidence to the contrary?

I should just trust you and Hillary then right?

I don't give a shit if you trust me. I wasn't running for president. But I at least expected conservatives to exercise the same judgment they'd apply when a used car salesmen is trying to sell them an overpriced piece of shit saying "it'll be great." Hilary wasn't perfect by any extent of the imagination. But the unwillingness to let her win elected a charlatan.

I voted to spite the DNC.

Well then enjoy the mess you helped create. I'm sure when the founding fathers wrote about an informed electorate, this is exactly what they had in mind.

Wow, you can just jog right on then.
Jesus Christ, you can't comprehend that people have their own agendas so you QUESTION THEIR INTELLIGENCE?
Man, go out in the world and learn to understand people not collectives.

So hillary saying she wants to make collage free healthcare free all this other stuff free raise my wage yadayadayada is 100% trustworthy (despite her being the corpratist canidate expanding government power over the market for her donars)

[Powder Miner]

appointing anti gay marriage judges doesn't mystically overturn gay marriage tho trump
the precedent
is
set

[MetalSlimeHunt]

You're banking on fucking precedent after what happened yesterday?

[Sprin]

appointing anti gay marriage judges doesn't mystically overturn gay marriage tho trump
the precedent
is
set

Im not sure gay marage is anyones main concern atm

[Innsmothe]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

the government has no grounds to make policy based on religious beliefs.  That fact is baked into the constitution. As a consequence, the government has no grounds to dictate policy concerning gay marriage.  Or church attendence, or religious indoctrination in schools, or... or...

The GOP does not seem to understand that the US govt is not, and never was "for a christian nation."  Our government was designed to be agnostic. Is there a legitimate, non-religious reason to be opposed to gay people getting married? I dont see one.

That GOP cronies feel they need to oppose it based on their "faith" (which is so poor that they get involved in sexual scandals all over, despite what their friend jesus says about sexual immorality-- it being all the same to him, and equally intolerable, making them hypocrites as well, which their friend Jesus has even more harsh things to say about...) is very unsettling, on every level.

They have unbelievable levels of double and even triplethink going on in there.

As a (very liberal, hate that I have to even state that) religious person who voted GOP (President only): Religion, even Abrahamic, isn't interpreted homogeneously.

Gurentee if you or I were born into the same possision we couldn't turn it into billions

So your argument is because you don't know better, just trust him? Despite all the evidence to the contrary?

I should just trust you and Hillary then right?

I don't give a shit if you trust me. I wasn't running for president. But I at least expected conservatives to exercise the same judgment they'd apply when a used car salesmen is trying to sell them an overpriced piece of shit saying "it'll be great." Hilary wasn't perfect by any extent of the imagination. But the unwillingness to let her win elected a charlatan.

I voted to spite the DNC.

Well then enjoy the mess you helped create. I'm sure when the founding fathers wrote about an informed electorate, this is exactly what they had in mind.

Wow, you can just jog right on then.
Jesus Christ, you can't comprehend that people have their own agendas so you QUESTION THEIR INTELLIGENCE?
Man, go out in the world and learn to understand people not collectives.

So hillary saying she wants to make collage free healthcare free all this other stuff free raise my wage yadayadayada is 100% trustworthy (despite her being the corpratist canidate expanding government power over the market for her donars)

I didn't vote Hillary? I was a Bernie guy.

[Wolfhunter107]

Yeah, and these judges could, theoretically, overturn that precedent. I'm not sure that it's the most likely thing ever, but it's definitely a possibility.

[Kot]

It's actually similar to most religious stances on the subject - be gay if you want, thats your thing, but marriage is sacred so stay the fuck away.

[Neonivek]

appointing anti gay marriage judges doesn't mystically overturn gay marriage tho trump
the precedent
is
set

Why is it that a defense for Trump is often "Come on, how much damage can he do?" whenever the topic goes to "Yes, he is trying to do this!"

Instead of "Yeah, but I doubt even he can pull it off"

[TempAcc]

"Clinton wasn't a suitable candidate" > It's the best that ever existed

I can't believe there's people on this forum that actually think Clinton was the best candidate for Dems. Before the primaries were over it seemed Bay12 pol threads were for Bernie and hated Hilldawg.

In all honesty, I'm pretty baffled by this myself. At the start of the campaigns, Bernie was clearly the favorite candidate in this thread, and now people are somehow pretending they were with Hillary from the start. Hell, many even lamented when Bernie fell out of the race.

[Leafsnail]

I'm not convinced Bernie would've been a better candidate. His policies could've been a major push factor and his minority performance would've been even worse. There are some questions to be asked about why such a deeply unpopular candidate was allowed to run basically unopposed in the primaries though.

appointing anti gay marriage judges doesn't mystically overturn gay marriage tho trump
the precedent
is
set

Until that precedent is reversed in very short order by said anti-gay marriage justices. Congrats on getting gay marriage banned.

[Sprin]

Bernie a career politician whos never held a real job in his life


Yeeeeah no thanks

[Antioch]

It was kinda made that way so that certain geographic aglomerations didn't get to rule the whole country. 'murica isn't one homogenous society, its a whole half a continent composed of a whole shitton of different people with different interests, if just pure majority of votes was taken into account, you might just as well rename it the united republic of new york, california and florida.

I don't understand this argument in the slightest. Under popular vote every person gets exactly one vote, if a majority of people vote for a candidate he/she SHOULD win.

It also doesn't change the influence of these states in the slightest, the only thing that the current system does is make every vote that does not tip the balance to one party completely useless.

[wierd]

without the ec, people in nyc, and other dense areas would dictate how food is grown without even the slightest idea how that process works.

see for example, how good that worked in stalinist russia.

[Powder Miner]

What do you mean? Why do you think I'm even defending him? The election's over. I'm talking about the reality of the situation at this point.

Leafsnail: How am I getting gay marriage banned?