Hector13: I am working on a response to that giant post you directed at me, but I thought I should post something before the end of the day. You addressed two specific questions to me a second time in this post, so I'm focusing on them for now.
1. You honestly have no inkling either way (town or scum) on any other player in the game?
I don't think I ever said this. It was more that I felt I didn't have a strong enough read to answer a question about "[my] strongest read", even if some of my reads were technically "strongest" in one direction or the other. Also, again: both of my main suspicions had recently failed to pan out, one for an impossible-to-predict reason.
The game has been going for two days. Also, I have had suspects for a large portion of the last 24 hours; I just don't have any right now—Vector turned out to have just been busy, and ATH recently got much more active.
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Who do you think is least likely to be scum in other words who do you think is town?
Other than "lol myself", nobody really reads as town to me, at the moment. There hasn't been enough activity, yet.
though
Two days isn't all that long. And again, I have (and had) inklings that some people might be town.
Telling me I might be wrong is all well and good. How am I wrong? You have town reads. Who are they? What makes you think they are town?
At the time you asked that question, I think I had a slight town read on you and Vector, with everyone else null, neutral, or worse. You had both been active and productive.
You weren't voting anyone at the end of D1. If you were doing as much scumhunting as you claim you were, I would've hoped you'd have a scumread after a week of play (alright fine, half a week what with tests) but apparently not. How did this happen?
Did you miss the part where I was mostly absent prior to the lynch? "Well, I thought you were suspicious three days ago," isn't a good reason to vote someone at lynch, even if your vote doesn't matter.
But you're not an IC, so everything you say is subject to analysis.
Did I say it wasn't? I was offering an explanation for my inflated post count, not putting myself beyond suspicion.
It was also the start of the game, a 5 day D1 (over last weekend) so... that's plenty of time for an IC to pop up eventually.
I have no doubt that one would have popped up
eventually, but it might have been too late; a train could have built up, or whatever. Should I have let a new player muddle around for a few days, despite having time to help?
Considering most of your "scumhunting" was RVS questions
Uh, I'm pretty sure I had done around as much legitimate scumhunting as everyone else at that point, though I'd have to go back and check. I may have asked a few more RVS questions than everyone else, too, but—actually, no. I'm not explaining this again.
Read this post.My first really second because my first was awful BM game I was scum, and padded out my post count and town cred by helping out the newer players. It's not inconceivable that you're doing the same here.
Thing is, I wasn't trying to pad out my post count. I mean, it's not
inconceivable that someone could use it as a cheap source of activity, but neither is it inconceivable that someone could help out as town.
Stuff from Sunday:
Other than your lack of scumhunting, addressed in my previous post, you also say you're attacking people, just not fully. Why are you not attacking people "fully"? What constitutes a "full" attack to you?
An attack phrased as an attack, ideally paired with a vote.
You claim that in "some of these" you're reluctant to move your vote, yet in only one are you voting someone else other than person you're "attacking". Why are you not pressuring people and then following up with more questions?
Most of my attacks hadn't panned out, IIRC.
You use probability here, which is fair enough, we are more likely to lynch town than scum at this juncture. However, you also seem to think that Snow Dwarf is town (I mean, you're framing this argument as "they might be town", right?) and you still claim you have no inkling over who might be town or scum so... I'm curious what you mean here? (This is where you say you have no town reads, in the fourth paragraph)
I had no read on snow dorf, so I considered him 7/9 town, as there were seven town players and two scum players. That's it. It wasn't a defence for him, or for anyone, but it *was* a reason why him getting lynched D1 for new player mistakes would, in all likelihood, have been a bad thing.
As an addendum, I've never seen a lurker get lynched D1, in ~10 games. It may have been different back in the day, but it's not going to happen this day. Perhaps you can tell me why lynching a lurker on D1 would be a bit pointless?
Lynching a pure, zero-posts lurker tells the town practically nothing, except maybe from who voted them. I remember it happening in my very first game, and I don't think anything was learned from it?
You also seem to think that lynching a lurker will be a mislynch (ie lynching town) too. What do you mean by that?
A "true" lurker—someone who has never posted, will probably never post, and appears not to care about the game at all—is 7/9 town. If you lynch them, there's a 7/9 chance you'll mislynch.
The answer you gave to Vector's question is also interesting. Perhaps it would be better phrased as "what content have you generated in the game so far?" which I'd quite like you to answer too.
I answered this in my response to Vector, I believe. I linked it above.
Finally, you place an imaginary vote on ATH. What do you think will come of that?
An imaginary
final vote, to be exact. I was saying that, if the lynch somehow popped up right then, I'd have voted ATH.
hector13: Did I miss anything?
Answering those questions took a while. I'll try to get at least one question up before I go to bed, but I may not get around to it until tomorrow.
I generally don't mind it when people say they're town when they're asked to provide a list of town reads (I actually loathe it, but I've seen people from n00bs to vets do it, so it's a null tell) but it's notable when they volunteer the information on their own.
Would it be fair for me to assume you read webadict as town?
I do read webadict as town. More accurately, I did "yesterday". Currently, though, he's slipping into neutral ground, not offering up much. Though considering the weekend only ended yesterday, not a lot of people have.
So which is it? Do you find him suspicious, or don't you?
ATH:
I'd say I've been quite reactive yes but mainly because I had no idea of any leads or what to say at all really but first I guess we can try and figure out why persus went down I mean why him exactly he didn't post much and you'd think the Mafia would want to keep that around.
Snowdwarf I felt was very newbish and I felt he was very dodgy and unsure what to do but to me it just seemed he was dodging questions and persus..well he posted barely anything I have very little information to go off right now and it seems that today will be about trying to draw slip up's more then anything.
You seem pretty quick to brush off Persus' death. Why? You're also talking about a WIFOM. They killed persus because persus was quiet but don't they want to keep quiet people around? maybe they did it to throw us off their trail but maybe they're expecting us to think that et cetera.
So your answer to someone spreading WIFOM is to...spread more WIFOM? I don't like the look of this.
Pretty sure that was an example of where WIFOM inevitably leads, not an attempt to spread it.
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