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Re: The friendly and polite Europe related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #10845 on: June 28, 2020, 10:50:57 am »

Pedophiles are a wild card. But, for a punishment to be applied, a crime must take place.
How about possession of child porn? That is usually pretty solid proof of pedophilia.
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Re: The friendly and polite Europe related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #10846 on: June 28, 2020, 10:53:37 am »

Circling the wagons isn’t solely limited to the far-right though, as LW pointed out.

Whether that’s through acceptance of paedophilia, refusal to accept a member of your in-group is capable of such an act, or merely protecting the image of your identity, is a different discussion.

I believe "regular" pedophiles (who don't act on their desires) must be imprisoned for life so they don't molest chilren... while actual kiddy diddlers must have the same fate as any other rapists-- against a wall with a gun pointed at their head. I truly despise them both. However this must be carried out by the state.

How do you intend to find a paedophile that doesn’t act on their desires if they don’t present themselves by acting on their desires? Sounds like a system that will be rife with false accusations, allowing people deemed as undesirables to get removed merely from the suggestion.


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Pedophiles are a wild card. But, for a punishment to be applied, a crime must take place.
How about possession of child porn? That is usually pretty solid proof of pedophilia.

That’s acting on a desire, which you said wouldn’t happen.

What of situations in which two teenagers below the age of consent send each other pictures? By law, that is creation and possession of child porn, while it’s two people in a relationship engaging in consensual sharing. Both go to jail forever in your scenario.
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Re: The friendly and polite Europe related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #10847 on: June 28, 2020, 10:59:59 am »

It's incredibly indicative, yes. But even knowing someone has pedophilic leanings doesn't justify locking them away.

Acting on pedophilia is abhorent. Being a pedophile - I honestly don't know whether I find that abhorent or piteous. But whatever I believe, being something shouldn't be a crime, even if acting upon it is.
I could certainly support monitoring suspicious individuals, though.
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Re: The friendly and polite Europe related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #10848 on: June 28, 2020, 11:02:03 am »

I worded it poorly then. By "acting on their desires" I meant actually raping children. Possession of child porn would be the former punishment. And about teenagers, well, pretty sure minors are punished less for crimes here (didn't check, and if it isn't like that then it should be). Also is it even pedophilia if both are underage? Then it's just an underage relationship which... I'm not sure if it should be punished or not, and if it should, then the punishment should be minor (no pun intended).

But whatever I believe, being something shouldn't be a crime, even if acting upon it is.
And this is where I disagree. I believe pedos are a danger to society by their very existence.
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Re: The friendly and polite Europe related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #10849 on: June 28, 2020, 11:41:30 am »

Pedophilia is a psychiatric disorder. Usually, but not always the result of sexual abuse or extreme neglect in the pedophile's own youth.
Pedophiles should not be punished, they should get care and psychiatric treatment.

This can only happen if the stigma is lifted or they will be too afraid of being mob lynched to admit their feelings towards children.

Pedosexuals are pedophiles who act upon their desires. They need to be arrested and either put in prison or in closed psychiatric wards.
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Re: The friendly and polite Europe related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #10850 on: June 28, 2020, 11:56:07 am »

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Pedophiles should not be punished, they should get care and psychiatric treatment.
I would have considered this, but it gave strong Oscar Wilde/Alan Turing vibes.

Edit: To clarify, namely the "let's cure homosexuality!" sentiment. I don't think you become a pedophile, I think you're born to it. Ergo there is no cure.

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While not causes of pedophilia themselves, childhood abuse by adults or comorbid psychiatric illnesses—such as personality disorders and substance abuse—are risk factors for acting on pedophilic urges.[7] Blanchard, Cantor, and Robichaud addressed comorbid psychiatric illnesses that, "The theoretical implications are not so clear. Do particular genes or noxious factors in the prenatal environment predispose a male to develop both affective disorders and pedophilia, or do the frustration, danger, and isolation engendered by unacceptable sexual desires—or their occasional furtive satisfaction—lead to anxiety and despair?"[68] They indicated that, because they previously found mothers of pedophiles to be more likely to have undergone psychiatric treatment,[57] the genetic possibility is more likely.
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Re: The friendly and polite Europe related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #10851 on: June 28, 2020, 11:59:27 am »

Ok, but LW is still wrong. Pedophilia doesn't need justification or camouflage among the far-right, it's just accepted, which is why right-wing institutions so reliably cover up for and protect child rapists. That is the predictable result of maintaining ideologies which necessarily require sexual ownership and guardianship while emphasizing authority and fecundity from the earliest possible age.

Your own argument defeats itself. If it was actually accepted it wouldn't need to be covered up.

I wonder if the German pedo-professor and his Berlin enabler were acting in the open about this. Likewise for that school that was mentioned. I believe it was connected to the same sociologist?
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Re: The friendly and polite Europe related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #10852 on: June 28, 2020, 12:03:16 pm »

The aim of care for pedophiles is not to cure, but to help them not act on their desires.
At least that's how pedophile care is done over here. In healthcare education, it is taught that we should not judge pedophiles, but accept them and help them cope.
You'd be surprised how many pedophiles are terrified by the idea of becoming a pedosexual. They love children too much to want to hurt them in such a way, yet are afraid of their desires.
Most pedophiles actually want help to cope with that.
It would be inhumane to put pedophiles in prison.
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Re: The friendly and polite Europe related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #10853 on: June 28, 2020, 12:07:03 pm »

Ah. It's a good idea to teach control to pedophiles, certainly. And the sentiment to accept them seems worthy, at least on the surface.

I just never could. I react to even the concept with too much revulsion.
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« Reply #10854 on: June 28, 2020, 12:13:55 pm »

I'm finding it literally impossible to empathize with them. I don't know why but they just seem completely disgusting.
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Re: The friendly and polite Europe related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #10855 on: June 28, 2020, 12:16:24 pm »

Note that pedophilia is not a sexual orientation. It is an affectionate disorder. Pedophiles 'fall in love with' children.
There's straight pedophiles, there are gay pedophiles, there are bisexual pedophiles and even asexual pedophiles.

I'm finding it literally impossible to empathize with them. I don't know why but they just seem completely disgusting.
Personally I am much more disgusted by people who advertise grabbing women by the pussy, like Trump.
Those are the real sexual predators.
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Re: The friendly and polite Europe related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #10856 on: June 28, 2020, 01:14:18 pm »

Any evidence for 'far-right' acceptance/normalising of pedophilia?

Because I would imagine that ideologies so deeply enmeshed with notions of 'proper' family - man in charge, woman in kitchen, children playing outside - would react viscerally to pedophilia. Much like the generally-accepted-as-right-wing UVF always did. They gave two options to pedophiles - run or die.

In essence, I think that your politicised finger pointing is unnecessary and - perhaps the greater crime - transparent.
Scare quotes for far-right?

You only need observe how the right-wing discusses this topic, particularly when they think they're among friends. Of course, few actually "accept pedophilia" in those terms - to do that would be to compromise the politic of sexual revulsion which the right usually employs against women, LGBT folk, and the nonreligious to varied degrees and extremes.

Rather, what they tend to do is incorporate factually pedophilic behaviors into their perception of sexual normalcy, either on the public end (heterosexual marriage and childrearing) or tacit neglect on the clandestine end (incestuous, non-heterosexual, or otherwise forbidden like with rapist priests). The classic version of this is well known of course, the religiously-motivated "marry young and have as many children as possible" which obviously creates the setup to pressure down past age 18.

In the modern era though, you see all sorts of advocates online for abolishing age of consent laws or privatizing marriage, both a setup to go all Warren Jeffs and have child brides at the rural compound, or such. Thus the stereotype of the libertarian pedophile. Then there's the Red Pill/Incel angle, reducing women to their capacity to breed and a fetishistic portrayal of young "tradwives" with screeching contrast that any woman over the age of 25 is worthless. By contrast, the priest who likes to feel up little boys isn't accepted for doing so, but for being a priest at the head of a church that is beyond reproach by us mere mortals.

For groups that are right-wing but morally panic over pedophiles like your UVF example, the answer is simply that they are punishing deviancy, and possibly seeking spectacle like in the case of vigilante groups seeking to bait pedophiles and then record beating them up at the mall for 100,000 subscribers on Youtube. Hypocritical? Sometimes yes, sometimes no depending on if the group then goes home to complain about their lack of tradwives on Discord, but it's not as if hypocritical behavior ever stopped the right before.

Does the average right-wing voter tacitly support pedophilia? Not really. But then, they don't need to. They just need to tacitly support maintaining the Old Boys Club or the extremist theorists, and those people do tacitly support pedophilia when they aren't committing it themselves. They just don't portray it as such.

Your own argument defeats itself. If it was actually accepted it wouldn't need to be covered up.
As is the case with many aspects of right-wing politics, there's a huge gulf between ingroup and outgroup behavior. What gets spoken at the bar or in the chatroom isn't what gets spoken on TV. Public honesty about goals is rather anathema to the right-wing, and increases dramatically as you look at more extreme groups.

Not really a great surprise, there. "We want to protect our faith and culture" is sanitized and garners votes. Without euphemisms like that, the bloody reality would discourage many.
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Re: The friendly and polite Europe related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #10857 on: June 28, 2020, 01:20:59 pm »

I was always under the impression that the reason statutory laws exist is partly because children are deemed incapable of making the kind of moral and legal decisions they would otherwise be required to make.  Engaging a child and expecting them to make mature decisions that hold life-altering consequences, such as pregnancy, stigma, the risk of (sometimes) permanent stds . . . and to do so in a way that absolutely can not establish a mutual relationship where both partners can contribute evenly.

How?  there's no way to justify it to me.
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Re: The friendly and polite Europe related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #10858 on: June 28, 2020, 01:33:02 pm »

[Where's the openly pedophile endorsing conservatives?]

Well.. While it is US conservatives (which are like conservative PRIME compared to EU conservatives), there is this lovely tidbit.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/more-republicans-are-now-saying-what-they-really-think-about-taxes-pedophiles-mass-shootings-2017-11-17

There's also the "politicians never tried for sex abuse in the 80s, despite mounds of evidence" from the UK, but is not overtly associated with a political affiliation, like the US rhetoric issue above.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westminster_paedophile_dossier
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/feb/25/police-and-politicians-turned-blind-eye-to-westminster-child-abuse-claims-report


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« Reply #10859 on: June 28, 2020, 03:45:37 pm »

Engaging a child and expecting them to make mature decisions that hold life-altering consequences, such as pregnancy, stigma, the risk of (sometimes) permanent stds

Well not only those visibly consequences, there can also be psychological consequences we often downplay. For example, looking into it, when you have boys who have had sex with an adult woman often the boys don't express distress, and we go "see? they say they're not negatively affected, so it's not a big deal". In these cases they don't have pregnancy risk, most likely didn't get STDs, and the social stigma for this is basically zero.

Except they've done controlled analysis and those boys have worse outcomes on a number of scales than other boys. So whether or not someone says they're affected or thinks they were affected isn't the whole story.
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