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[martinuzz]

The others MP aren't member of the party officially.

Yep, this. Unsuprisingly, there's already been quite a few MPs and local city council members that went dissident halfway their term.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

The others MP aren't member of the party officially.

That certainly sounds like something that is somehow illegal, and yet is slippery enough to not be. Well, doesn't really make a difference for my analysis.

Support "Afrikaners", as it is Dutch heritage. (Lowkey apartheid apology is no big deal or anything)

I just want to point out that this has no inherent apartheid apology in it anywhere. Contextually it could well (I don't know the specifics of the PVV's views on the topic), but the statement standing alone is no more apartheid apology than saying "one should support Germans" is holocaust apology.

I suppose not, but given everything else PVV believes in I have to wonder.

Hey martinuzz, are PVV apartheid apologists?

[martinuzz]

Hey martinuzz, are PVV apartheid apologists?

Not that I've specifically heard mentioned, although it would be unsurprising.

[penguinofhonor]

This article seems relevant, though I'm not sure exactly how much because Dutch is confusing.

[martinuzz]

It's about a book by PVV MP Martin Bosma, called 'Minority in your own country, how progressive battle turned into genocide and ANC-apartheid' in which he critisizes people who think Mandela was a good man, pointing out that the ANC had punishment camps and tortured people, and accusing Mandela of being a terrorist and a communist, and critisizes him for calling Albania, North Korea and North-Vietnam as examples of 'succesful socialism'.
He says to the book critics that will critisize his book that "you will say that anyone who critisizes the ANC must be pro-apartheid. You are wrong. The old apartheid was deplorable and immoral. Period, plus three exclamation marks".

So no, while the rest of the book is very much an anti-multiculturalism plea and an attack on the progressive left, right up the alley of the PVV, it's not an apology or endorsement for apartheid.

[smjjames]

Thing is, there are no members to the PVV. It's a one man party. Wilders is the only member of his party.

And yet there are other politicians in the PVV, how does that even work.

@MSH: But Windmills are iconic to the Netherlands, they're like national (along with historical) treasures I'm sure. If that's all Geert Wilders thing, then that seems to make him a traitor to Dutch culture. At least to me, but I'm American, so, what do I know.

[Strife26]

It's about a book by PVV MP Martin Bosma, called 'Minority in your own country, how progressive battle turned into genocide and ANC-apartheid' in which he critisizes people who think Mandela was a good man, pointing out that the ANC had punishment camps and tortured people, and accusing Mandela of being a terrorist and a communist, and critisizes him for calling Albania, North Korea and North-Vietnam as examples of 'succesful socialism'.
He says to the book critics that will critisize his book that "you will say that anyone who critisizes the ANC must be pro-apartheid. You are wrong. The old apartheid was deplorable and immoral. Period, plus three exclamation marks".

So no, while the rest of the book is very much an anti-multiculturalism plea and an attack on the progressive left, right up the alley of the PVV, it's not an apology or endorsement for apartheid.

Mandela approved some pretty horrifying things. That's not accusation as much as it's statement of fact.

[Loud Whispers]

Shell house massacre for starters

[martinuzz]

Thing is, there are no members to the PVV. It's a one man party. Wilders is the only member of his party.

And yet there are other politicians in the PVV, how does that even work.

They are elected as members of parliament, or members of senate, or members of city council on behalf of the PVV. They're just not members of the PVV.
It's not unique, but it is exceptional in Dutch politics. I do believe that the conservative christian party SGP also was, or still is a party without members.
Most if not all other parties have members, and conventions at which the members choose a new chairman, and vote about party issues.

[Sheb]

Thing is, there are no members to the PVV. It's a one man party. Wilders is the only member of his party.

And yet there are other politicians in the PVV, how does that even work.

They are elected as members of parliament, or members of senate, or members of city council on behalf of the PVV. They're just not members of the PVV.
It's not unique, but it is exceptional in Dutch politics. I do believe that the conservative christian party SGP also was, or still is a party without members.
Most if not all other parties have members, and conventions at which the members choose a new chairman, and vote about party issues.

There are similar arrangements in other countries. In France, while En Marche! has members (or "supporters") the party is very much the tool of one man and he's the only one making decision (although it's young, it'll be interesting to see what happens).

[smjjames]

Thing is, there are no members to the PVV. It's a one man party. Wilders is the only member of his party.

And yet there are other politicians in the PVV, how does that even work.

They are elected as members of parliament, or members of senate, or members of city council on behalf of the PVV. They're just not members of the PVV.
It's not unique, but it is exceptional in Dutch politics. I do believe that the conservative christian party SGP also was, or still is a party without members.
Most if not all other parties have members, and conventions at which the members choose a new chairman, and vote about party issues.

There are similar arrangements in other countries. In France, while En Marche! has members (or "supporters") the party is very much the tool of one man and he's the only one making decision (although it's young, it'll be interesting to see what happens).

To be fair, En Marche! is so young that it wasn't considered a full political party. AFAIK, Macron is the first person to be elected to a political office under it.

[Sheb]

Thing is, there are no members to the PVV. It's a one man party. Wilders is the only member of his party.

And yet there are other politicians in the PVV, how does that even work.

They are elected as members of parliament, or members of senate, or members of city council on behalf of the PVV. They're just not members of the PVV.
It's not unique, but it is exceptional in Dutch politics. I do believe that the conservative christian party SGP also was, or still is a party without members.
Most if not all other parties have members, and conventions at which the members choose a new chairman, and vote about party issues.

There are similar arrangements in other countries. In France, while En Marche! has members (or "supporters") the party is very much the tool of one man and he's the only one making decision (although it's young, it'll be interesting to see what happens).

To be fair, En Marche! is so young that it wasn't considered a full political party. AFAIK, Macron is the first person to be elected to a political office under it.

Oh yeah, but there is little signs so far that it intend it to be anything but a personnal vehicle. Why do you think he came up with a name whose initials are EM?

[martinuzz]

Facebook gets off easy. The European commission has only fined it for 110 million euros.
When Facebook bought WhatsApp 3 years ago, it promised to never link user data of the two services, even saying in 2014 that that wasn't even technically possible.
When they did exactly that, two and a half year later, the EU commission opened an investigation and has now found them guilty of misleading authorities.

Sadly, 110 million euros is less than pocket change for Facebook, and this will not discourage them from trying something like this again in the future.

[martinuzz]

Was it Norway or Sweden that has or had an income based system of fining people? I remember there being something like that for traffic fines. If you're on minimum wage, speeding by 10km over the limit would cost you maybe 100 euros. However if you are a billionaire, expect to be fined for a few hundred thousand euros for the same 10km over the limit.

[hector13]

I do believe that's Finland.