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[Loud Whispers]

Journalists complaining about taking millions of refugees to permanently change the ethnic composition to create more voters for the ruling party? Haha, ideas spread well!

[BorkBorkGoesTheCode]

It's now seeming more likely that the rumours that a lot of soldiers didn't know they were staging a coup is true, otherwise it just doesn't make sense why they don't defend themselves, instead looking so confused when approached by a mob about to kill them

Who stages a coup on the day the Prime Minister is out of the country?

They may have believed the citizens of Turkey would support them. Or they were ordered not to shoot civilians to prevent a PR disaster. It reminds me of Garibaldi.

[martinuzz]

The Turkish prime minister just declared in a speech that those military that tried to seize power yesterday did not try to commit a coup, but instead are terrorists.

[hops]

So terrorists are unable to commit a coup? Gee, I wonder how the IS have all these territories then.

[hector13]

The Turkish prime minister just declared in a speech that those military that tried to seize power yesterday did not try to commit a coup, but instead are terrorists.

Gotta get the PR right.

One man's freedom fighter and all that...

[misko27]

So terrorists are unable to commit a coup? Gee, I wonder how the IS have all these territories then.

Military force mostly. Coups are internal after all, while IS started off as part of the Syrian Opposition. If you are part of the government and take over the government, it's a coup or a conspiracy. If you are not part of the government, it's a rebellion/revolution/uprising/civil war/something. In any case, coups only occupy the capital and problem areas, whereas IS is clearly just occupying everything. IS is not a coup by the standard definition; and while coups and civil wars often go together, it only really happens when a coup (successfully or otherwise) leads into a civil war.

Turkish - Egyptian relations are deteriorating further, as Egypt's media reported very positively about the coup attempt, and called it "not a coup, but a revolution within the armed forces"

At least they are consistent. Of course Egypt would support a coup, given how the current government in Egypt came about. At the same time, it makes sense that most of the governments in the middle east would oppose the coup on principle since coups are bad for business. If the coup had succeeded, perhaps we would have heard differently.

My best is that Egypt just jumped the gun on supporting the coup. They should have waited for more news. Now they look very bad indeed.

[martinuzz]

Greece has agreed to extradite the 8 man that flew in a helicopter and asked for political asylum and promised to deliver them back to Turkey as soon as possible

[Sheb]

Will they take 8 syrian refugees in exchange?

[Teneb]

Will they take 8 syrian refugees in exchange?

It's kind of incredible how syrian refugees became something of a currency in international deals in that area of the world. "I'll give you 40 refugees if you do this for me"

[TempAcc]

Turkish military was fractured during the attempt and couldn't fight back properly. Erdog now has a big excuse to do all the constitutional changes he was planning, meaning turkey is kind of (even more) fucked now.

[hector13]

They don't really know how to do PR very well.

"Let's blame a guy who is in self-imposed exile and preaches tolerance and altruism for starting it!"

"Okay, let's say they're terrorists too, that'll get everyone on our side!"

[martinuzz]

Turkey has asked the USA to either banish or otherwise directly extradite Gulen to Turkey. John Kerry has responded he will seriously consider it, and asked for definitive proof that he is behind the coup. Erdogan says he has given that proof.

"As soon as the US extradite the head of terrorists to us, a lot will change", Erdogan said.

When the crowd demanded Erdogan give the death penalty to the traitors, Erdogan replied "we can discuss that in parliament".

Earlier today, Amnesty International already pleaded with Turkey to not reinstate the death penalty.

I doubt they will though, because that'll disqualify them for EU membership.

[Morrigi]

I'd bet money that Gulen had nothing whatsoever to do with this.

[Rolepgeek]

If the US does, I will have lost faith in the current government, not just potential government.

Goddamn. Every time one of these coups or movements towards more dictatorship happens, it erodes my faith in the inevitability of movement towards the better. Just a little each time.

[Flying Dice]

An actual coup by the Turkish military would have been the latter.