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Author Topic: Arms Race: 1780 - Atterton Monarchy -1782 Revision Phase  (Read 36425 times)

flazeo25

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Re: Arms Race: 1780 - Atterton Monarchy -1782 Design Phase
« Reply #405 on: December 03, 2015, 11:21:51 pm »

SF cable car?

well if were going for transport type then here's my design idea, I pretty sure tracks come free with any thing using tracks.

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Like before, no, steam locomotives have the same issue as steam boats; too heavy. The reason we were talking about cable cars is because the engine doesn't have to carry its own weight.

The wait isn't a problem and the engine isnt on the main part of it it's in compartment behind it and arnt cable cars to advance for this era.
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« Reply #406 on: December 04, 2015, 01:36:05 am »

SF cable car?

well if were going for transport type then here's my design idea, I pretty sure tracks come free with any thing using tracks.

Spoiler: AM-Choo (click to show/hide)

HELL NO.

Our steam engines are far from reliable enough to on a boat. How can it be good enough on a steam locomotive which is basically a rocking cradle?


Also note that Funiculars aren't new technology. They were here from the 15th century.
« Last Edit: December 04, 2015, 04:58:58 am by evilcherry »
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Re: Arms Race: 1780 - Atterton Monarchy -1782 Design Phase
« Reply #407 on: December 04, 2015, 03:03:18 pm »

The wait isn't a problem and the engine isnt on the main part of it it's in compartment behind it and arnt cable cars to advance for this era.
1) The weight is a problem. It's THE problem (unless you decide to view it as a power issue instead. Issues with stability of output too but that matters more for precision equipment)
2) The engine still has to pull its own weight as well as that of the cargo.

The cable cars wouldn't be as anachronistic or impossible as a steam locomotive.
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Re: Arms Race: 1780 - Atterton Monarchy -1782 Design Phase
« Reply #408 on: December 04, 2015, 05:49:16 pm »

The wait isn't a problem and the engine isnt on the main part of it it's in compartment behind it and arnt cable cars to advance for this era.
1) The weight is a problem. It's THE problem (unless you decide to view it as a power issue instead. Issues with stability of output too but that matters more for precision equipment)
2) The engine still has to pull its own weight as well as that of the cargo.

The cable cars wouldn't be as anachronistic or impossible as a steam locomotive.
Its not impossible and design based on rolls, we got a really bad roll on our first turn thats why its bad, but with steam bonus we get bonus for steam type rolls.
Steam engines were never a problem due to their weight otherwise none would ever work.
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« Reply #409 on: December 04, 2015, 07:26:01 pm »

The wait isn't a problem and the engine isnt on the main part of it it's in compartment behind it and arnt cable cars to advance for this era.
1) The weight is a problem. It's THE problem (unless you decide to view it as a power issue instead. Issues with stability of output too but that matters more for precision equipment)
2) The engine still has to pull its own weight as well as that of the cargo.

The cable cars wouldn't be as anachronistic or impossible as a steam locomotive.
Its not impossible and design based on rolls, we got a really bad roll on our first turn thats why its bad, but with steam bonus we get bonus for steam type rolls.
Steam engines were never a problem due to their weight otherwise none would ever work.
Low pressure steam is a problem. We don't want to rely on natural 6s.

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« Reply #410 on: December 04, 2015, 07:53:09 pm »

The wait isn't a problem and the engine isnt on the main part of it it's in compartment behind it and arnt cable cars to advance for this era.
1) The weight is a problem. It's THE problem (unless you decide to view it as a power issue instead. Issues with stability of output too but that matters more for precision equipment)
2) The engine still has to pull its own weight as well as that of the cargo.

The cable cars wouldn't be as anachronistic or impossible as a steam locomotive.
Its not impossible and design based on rolls, we got a really bad roll on our first turn thats why its bad, but with steam bonus we get bonus for steam type rolls.
Steam engines were never a problem due to their weight otherwise none would ever work.
Low pressure steam is a problem. We don't want to rely on natural 6s.
These engines arnt low pressure though.
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« Reply #411 on: December 05, 2015, 08:51:25 am »

The wait isn't a problem and the engine isnt on the main part of it it's in compartment behind it and arnt cable cars to advance for this era.
1) The weight is a problem. It's THE problem (unless you decide to view it as a power issue instead. Issues with stability of output too but that matters more for precision equipment)
2) The engine still has to pull its own weight as well as that of the cargo.

The cable cars wouldn't be as anachronistic or impossible as a steam locomotive.
Its not impossible and design based on rolls, we got a really bad roll on our first turn thats why its bad, but with steam bonus we get bonus for steam type rolls.
Steam engines were never a problem due to their weight otherwise none would ever work.
Low pressure steam is a problem. We don't want to rely on natural 6s.
These engines arnt low pressure though.
What do you expect from 18 century metallurgy? Another natural 6 needed I presume. If this boy succeeds that means we are now 50 years ahead of history. Also, Your actual design is a Heisler locomotive - a geared locomotive that starts to be practical in the last three decades of the 19th century, or a century ahead.

Cable cars are, on the other hand, not only much more accessible machines, but can also beat inclines easily, which is crucial for a mountainous island like this.

TL;DR: I don't want another failed design. We don't want to risk losing another design turn.

I want a vote here.
« Last Edit: December 05, 2015, 08:59:50 am by evilcherry »
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« Reply #412 on: December 05, 2015, 08:58:37 am »

The wait isn't a problem and the engine isnt on the main part of it it's in compartment behind it and arnt cable cars to advance for this era.
1) The weight is a problem. It's THE problem (unless you decide to view it as a power issue instead. Issues with stability of output too but that matters more for precision equipment)
2) The engine still has to pull its own weight as well as that of the cargo.

The cable cars wouldn't be as anachronistic or impossible as a steam locomotive.
Its not impossible and design based on rolls, we got a really bad roll on our first turn thats why its bad, but with steam bonus we get bonus for steam type rolls.
Steam engines were never a problem due to their weight otherwise none would ever work.
Low pressure steam is a problem. We don't want to rely on natural 6s.
These engines arnt low pressure though.
What do you expect from 18 century metallurgy? Another natural 6 needed I presume. If this boy succeeds that means we are now 50 years ahead of history. Also, Your actual design is a Heisler locomotive - a geared locomotive that starts to be practical in the last three decades of the 19th century, or a century ahead.

TL;DR: I don't want another failed design. We don't want to risk losing another design turn.

I want a vote here.
high pressured steam exists before 1850s. Plus the worlds longest running steam engine locomotive called the Fairy Queen still runs even after ore than 100 years since it was made in 1855.
« Last Edit: December 05, 2015, 09:06:35 am by flazeo25 »
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« Reply #413 on: December 05, 2015, 09:54:04 am »

The wait isn't a problem and the engine isnt on the main part of it it's in compartment behind it and arnt cable cars to advance for this era.
1) The weight is a problem. It's THE problem (unless you decide to view it as a power issue instead. Issues with stability of output too but that matters more for precision equipment)
2) The engine still has to pull its own weight as well as that of the cargo.

The cable cars wouldn't be as anachronistic or impossible as a steam locomotive.
Its not impossible and design based on rolls, we got a really bad roll on our first turn thats why its bad, but with steam bonus we get bonus for steam type rolls.
Steam engines were never a problem due to their weight otherwise none would ever work.
Low pressure steam is a problem. We don't want to rely on natural 6s.
These engines arnt low pressure though.
What do you expect from 18 century metallurgy? Another natural 6 needed I presume. If this boy succeeds that means we are now 50 years ahead of history. Also, Your actual design is a Heisler locomotive - a geared locomotive that starts to be practical in the last three decades of the 19th century, or a century ahead.

TL;DR: I don't want another failed design. We don't want to risk losing another design turn.

I want a vote here.
high pressured steam exists before 1850s. Plus the worlds longest running steam engine locomotive called the Fairy Queen still runs even after ore than 100 years since it was made in 1855.
Boy we are now in 1782.

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Re: Arms Race: 1780 - Atterton Monarchy -1782 Design Phase
« Reply #414 on: December 05, 2015, 02:26:13 pm »

Do we have any vague consensus on anything (bar quote pyramids)?
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« Reply #415 on: December 05, 2015, 02:34:21 pm »

Do we have any vague consensus on anything (bar quote pyramids)?

well designs are either a cable car or steam loctomotive so far. unless anyone else wants to add a design.
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« Reply #416 on: December 05, 2015, 02:44:54 pm »

Do we have any vague consensus on anything (bar quote pyramids)?
One person continues to insist on bad ideas against all reason, a good few other people want steam powered cable cars, and one person wants a new cannon.
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« Reply #417 on: December 05, 2015, 06:30:26 pm »

I'm gonna leave it until tomorrow and assuming a load of people don't change their minds I will roll for a steam powered gondola.
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« Reply #418 on: December 05, 2015, 08:49:21 pm »

+1 to evilcherry's proposal, however you may want to consider being more polite. Calling people "boy" is only going to foster enmity.
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Re: Arms Race: 1780 - Atterton Monarchy -1782 Design Phase
« Reply #419 on: December 05, 2015, 09:08:02 pm »

Well you guys are complaining about steam designs when evil ones is steam engine cable car, also do we even have access to steel yet because Bessemer process didnt become avialable till 1850s?
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