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Yes, we need one anyway.

17 (21.8%)

No, we should take that elsewhere and keep this thread as-is.

27 (34.6%)

I don't care, let's see what happens.

34 (43.6%)

Total Members Voted: 75

[smjjames]

More than one. Not sure how effective they're going to be without some form of ground support.

Which is the problem with the current strategy, air superiority is good and all, but to take and hold something, you need ground support.

[LordBucket]

to take and hold something, you need ground support.

It's possible holding it might not be their objective. News reports I've seen so far have been lacking in detail, but this might simply be a morale-boosting PR move. France first started bombing ISIS targets in Syria in September. That they should bomb it again today after the Paris attack comes as no surprise.


Actually, the Paris attacks were probably retaliation for the past couple months engagements against ISIS.

[Reelya]

breitbart isn't a source. The Guardian is.

breitbart is basically a snazzier version of Stormfront mixed with mega corporation fanboys.

I'd have more faith in The Daily Mail as a source than Breitbart on basically any issue. For example, daily mail has cited information on both sides of the climate debate, whereas Breitbart is basically a mouthpiece for pollution-spewing megacorps who deny any climate effects. When you have a site which makes The Daily Mail look balanced and well researched, you know you're looking at a literal pile of turds.

[Nick K]

Actually, looking back a bit...Syrian civil war, Syrian government asks for international military assistance, France is one of the countries that provide it...the Paris attacks were probably retaliation for the past couple months.

Are the French helping Assad's government? I thought they were part of the US coalition that are supporting the moderate rebels against both Assad and IS.

[LordBucket]

Are the French helping Assad's government? I thought they were part of the US coalition that are supporting the moderate rebels against both Assad and IS.

Yes, they're supporting the Rebels. Give me a minute and I'll rephrase that post.

[smjjames]

Hm, Sarkozy said this:

"Former French President Nicola Sarkozy has told French TV that all those on an official watchlist of suspected radicals should be forced to wear "an electronic tag". He is widely expected to run for the presidency again in 2017."

It's off the BBC live blog, so I don't have a link to an actual article. Sounds extremely... Orwellian.

I don't know how popular he is over there in France, but he's certainly feeding into the right wing narrative.

[Neonivek]

You know as extreme as that sounds...

An electronic tag would actually fix so many problems with the system. It might, in the end, be LESS intrusive then the current system.

[Baffler]

I guess the kneejerk curtailing of basic liberty was inevitable. It happened here, it happened in the UK, now France is jumping on the train.

Never mind that people are a bit smarter than salmon and will try to remove the tag. Or is he suggesting they be surgically implanted?

[smjjames]

Theres no further details than that quote, and yeah, my first thought was 'what's stopping them from excising it out?'

[Sheb]

Uh, electronic surveillace bracelet are already widely used for prisoners on parole, it's not exactly a new technology.

[Vilanat]

Pro-Israel thinktank from a website called jihadology. Sounds about as reliable as posting from thereligionofpeace.

Aaron Y. Zelin was one of the firsts to raise concerns that Yemen Libya and Syria specifically will not survive the Arab Spring.

It's possible holding it might not be their objective. News reports I've seen so far have been lacking in detail, but this might simply be a morale-boosting PR move. France first started bombing ISIS targets in Syria in September. That they should bomb it again today after the Paris attack comes as no surprise.

Actually, looking back a bit...Syrian civil war, Syrian government asks for international military assistance, France is one of the countries that provide it...the Paris attacks were probably retaliation for the past couple months.

France had been combating ISIS long before ISIS were called ISIS and were still called Al Qaeda in Iraq / Al Qaeda in the Magreb.

And it has nothing to do with the attack on Paris. this is a culture war. Paris is one of the beacons for the culture that these people despise.

[smjjames]

Uh, electronic surveillace bracelet are already widely used for prisoners on parole, it's not exactly a new technology.

He didn't exactly elaborate on what he meant by 'electronic tag', leaving it up to peoples imaginations.

[LordBucket]

France had been combating ISIS long before ISIS were called ISIS and were still called Al Qaeda in Iraq / Al Qaeda in the Magreb.

And it has nothing to do with the attack on Paris. this is a culture war. Paris is one of the beacons for the culture that these people despise.

...wait, so France has been combating these people for years, but they're unhappy because France is a "cultural beacon" they disagree with?

Dropping bombs on them has nothing to do with it?

[Reelya]

Uh, electronic surveillace bracelet are already widely used for prisoners on parole, it's not exactly a new technology.

He didn't exactly elaborate on what he meant by 'electronic tag', leaving it up to peoples imaginations.

It's probably safe to assume he was refering to the existing technology and not some hypothetical one.

[Neonivek]

Uh, electronic surveillace bracelet are already widely used for prisoners on parole, it's not exactly a new technology.

He didn't exactly elaborate on what he meant by 'electronic tag', leaving it up to peoples imaginations.

What he actually meant is they all would play a giant France wide game of Laser Tag