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[Adragis]

Sandra is never going to use Butchery.
Or Fleshlance, save in emergencies.

She is not a combat character.

...then what's the point of giving them to her, when she could have support actions instead?

The point is for RP reasons. It's what she'd do if she weren't a wuss.
You think I designed her for efficiency?

[Powder Miner]

I like to think I've done well to avoid the generalization and everyone-a-damage-dealer issues, considering Chartre is a debuffer (of the furious action denial variety, and a specialization in screwing mages), and Evridiki is a medic (with one combat oriented move and one debuff, which even isn't stun)

[IamanElfCollaborator]

And RP, I believe, is the main counterargument to Emp.

I mean, yes, we could have made synergised party members, but at the same time, it's completely unfair to basically demand that we all play a role in the party that synergises. The basic premise of the game even contradicts that; there is no way in hell that a bunch of randomly summoned heroes is going to be synergised, at all. Unless you got very lucky.

Well, at the time I created Mio, we had some support members, and I'd like to say her general purpose (almost-unstoppable damage dealer) was fulfilled, bar some redundancy.

[Adragis]

Emp is the Empire
we are the Rebellion

order versus chaos

I am such a good philosopher, eat your heart out Plato

[Powder Miner]

That's also a point, in that I believe most of us made characters from the top down rather than bottom up: making stats and actions to fit with their fluff rather than their combat role. You say we all look at characters as shipping partners, etc., but that's because they have been primarily designed with their fluff aspects in mind.

[Adragis]

to be fair Sandra was never even designed
more vomited out
poor lass

[Twinwolf]

I think it's obvious what role Anna is in. If given the chance to re-do her sheet, this time with tanking in mind, I'd be fine with that.

Victoria is just based on damage, yeah. Trying to do large amounts of damage, since most people have some way of doing damage but only Chryssa and Mio do a lot.

And I'm going to note, like everyone else, that they're not supposed to synergize well. They're a bunch of people thrown together by circumstances out of their control. Even if they'd been brought for the purposes of saving the multiverse, it was explicitly stated that something sabotaged the process.

[Sanure]

Woe is Sandra, her creator did not love her.


But yeah, What elf and Powder said, and twin said.

That something being partly Shiro.

[Sl4cker]

it was explicitly stated that something sabotaged the process.

wat when

[Twinwolf]

During the talk with the multiverse-goddess-thingy.

[Adragis]

Woe is Sandra, her creator did not love her.

I disagree
actually I agree because I do not want a waifu

[Empiricist]

well
shit

They wanted feedback, they got their fucking feedback. You know what Elf? You're right. You shouldn't have to look through anything grabbed from my idea pools one iteration at a time. You shouldn't have to have people badger you to look at their sheet or approve actions. You shouldn't need to do all that with Sanure alone. The players ought to be mature enough to give them a few cursory glances, give constructive feedback, make an actual blood contribution rather than this verbal diarrhea and dead air.

For heaven's sake, Tinker in Einsteinian Roulette is easier to handle than this. It's just chunky salsa, not stat bonuses, no need to worry about Perks or Passive or any of that. They have a Council. A FUCKING COUNCIL. AN ENTIRE SECRET CONSORTIUM OF PLAYERS TO BALANCE IT. AND A PLAYER RUN WIKI. A MOTHERFUCKING WIKI. A veteran Tinkerer overseeing and filtering the suggestion input. And a good chunk of the playerbase willing to assist people in their Tinker Projects.

If the players want to make their damn sheets with their own Actions and Perks, the least they could do is get involved. Quite frankly, I'm amazed that this game is still running and that Elf hasn't blown his damn top at anyone yet. This has got to be the only game I know of where people can just get into heated arguments, not debates, actual arguments with the GM and remain in the game.[/rant]

And RP, I believe, is the main counterargument to Emp.

My rebuttal is your own words. This is about a group of people. They've been forced to band together for survival. Some have known the others for months by now. Are we to say that they cannot even after all they've gone through, learned how to work together? Plus they did have specialties in their own world, and their Perks and Skills should at least internally synergize.

With or without initial teamwork, we should still have never come to a point where some characters have utterly underpowered Actions and where you're stuck reading through them one at a time with no one else's opinion to see.

I am all for people redoing their sheets, mind you. I even recommend it.

Oh good, hopefully, circumstances shall be better this time.

[SOLDIER First]

[opens door slowly]
[gently strokes emp] let it out, it's okay

[Adragis]

I didn't understand any of that

let's go start katawa shoujo v3

[IamanElfCollaborator]

I'll give you internal consistency. But for the majority of the game, most of the party has been pretty much split, both literally and in the mental sense. And most of them have personalities that don't allow for cooperation, even if stats-wise, it makes sense.

I see your points, and I don't disagree. However, I am somewhat concerned that the point of the game is missed. It's as much RP as battles, as much fluff as it is crunch. If it's causing people this much aggravation, then I feel a break is necessary.