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[Andres]

The grenades we just did. Those are CQC weapons.

They're not primary weapons. Given the choice between going to battle with only an SMG or only a pair of grenades, a soldier will choose the former.

Expensive equipment can be given to officers, or one per squad (5-10 soldiers)

Thats about the levels that SMGs are used in the military thesedays. One per squad.

This is vague. By "thesedays" you could be talking about our RL present or the current in-game date.

If RL: What we use now is irrelevant. Different times call for different approaches. What works in our time won't work in Arstotzka/Moskurg's time. IRL we have other CQC automatic weapons to use besides SMGs like the M4A1 (assault rifle carbine). The battle report (the thing that overrides what we think is important and tells us what's actually important) said that more SMGs are better and that means we should get more SMGs.

If in-game: That is a bad argument. That's like saying "We don't need cheap Nosin Magants because we have Expensive Nosin Magants" back in the beginning of the war. We needed cheap Nosins. Saying we didn't need cheap Nosins because our Nosins weren't cheap just doesn't make sense. Neither does saying we don't need cheap SMGs just because we don't have cheap SMGs.

Well, except special squads, but since the quote you gave talks about a squad of just SMGs...

Three. In. Five. Three in five men should have SMGs while the rest have other weapons, based on the battle report stating that that was the optimal number of SMGs that should be fielded. Getting our entire army to field nothing but SMGs is stupid and I would've thought it was obvious I didn't think we should do that. Being able to equip every soldier with one is what I suggested, not because we should but because then we'd be able to equip as many as we needed.

[andrea]

Since we have rocket enthusiast club, I think we should develope proper rockets soon.

edit: Also, I am incredibly pleased at that description of civilian life. Radio aside, our side's life is much better, richer and developed.

[Kot]

The grenades we just did. Those are CQC weapons.

They're not primary weapons. Given the choice between going to battle with only an SMG or only a pair of grenades, a soldier will choose the former.

Given the choice between going to battle with only an SMG or only 50 grenades though...
But yeah, your arguments make sense (a bit, at least), but I'm still not convinced that is our primary need RIGHT NOW. We'll see how grenades work out.
And as for rockets, we could make simple RPGs by revising our AT grenades proably, as we have our rocket mortar and all we need to do is to basically attach rocket to grenade.

But then, I think we should wait and see how things work out.

[Sensei]

Given the choice between going to battle with only an SMG or only 50 grenades though...

If you order your soldiers to carry 50 grenades, there will be consequences.

[andrea]

just to be clear: we do NOT, repeat, DO NOT order our soldiers to walk around as a christmas tree decorated with explosives. As many grenades as they deem necessary and safe, but well under 10.

[Kot]

Given the choice between going to battle with only an SMG or only 50 grenades though...

If you order your soldiers to carry 50 grenades, there will be consequences.

Also, since our civilians modify AS-1909s to be more reliable, couldn't we just ask them to, like, tell us how?

[Andres]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Does anyone know if this is possible? If it is, we could probably get short range mortars or grenade launchers without the need for a new design.

[andrea]

our grenades are ball shaped, can't do that.

I did, however, propose a slingshot.

[Kot]

our grenades are ball shaped, can't do that.

I did, however, propose a slingshot.

Dunno, the AT ones are cans, we could add a stick to it.

[Andres]

Grenades on slingshots wouldn't work, not unless we increased the fuse time. By the time it takes to load and aim one, the grenade would already explode. Same thing with the AT grenades.

Glory to Arstotzka.

[Sheb]

Not if you tie the grenade pin to the slingshot so that it is only armed when you actually throw the grande. Still a stupid idea though.

[Funk]

Can't we just replace it with
A) Reworking it in to a cheap and nasty fully automatic only pistol.
B) A fancy all new machine pistol

Spoiler: AS PA27 (click to show/hide)

A large powerfull machine pistol.
It has a long 200mm barrel, and detachable magazine holding 20 rounds is mounted forwards of the grip in the style of a Mauser C96.
Capable of both fully automatic fire and single shots it uses a closed-bolt blowback system and a hydro-pneumatic spring to lesson the recoil.
A large amount of the gun is made from Aluminium parts to save weight.
A range of Interchangeable barrels lets it fire both 9x19mm, and a new 10x30mm cartage.

C) A crazy rocket fireing pistol or some other madness.

Grenades on slingshots wouldn't work, not unless we increased the fuse time. By the time it takes to load and aim one, the grenade would already explode. Same thing with the AT grenades.

Glory to Arstotzka.

One of these must work

[Kot]

Spoiler: AS PA27 (click to show/hide)

A large powerfull machine pistol.
It has a long 200mm barrel, and detachable magazine holding 20 rounds is mounted forwards of the grip in the style of a Mauser C96.
Capable of both fully automatic fire and single shots it uses a closed-bolt blowback system and a hydro-pneumatic spring to lesson the recoil.
A large amount of the gun is made from Aluminium parts to save weight.
A range of Interchangeable barrels lets it fire both 9x19mm, and a new 10x30mm cartage.

Horrible, horrible design. 20 rounds mags aside, making it mostly out of aluminium will cause us to use guns that can be bent in hands by ten year old, not to mention how shitty it proably will be when it comes to reliability. And 9x19mm and 10x30mm cartridges are far too different for use in same gun without changing the whole mechanism, not only the barrel.
EDIT: Also, I'm not sure if that would be good or bad, but if the magazine would be mounted in front of the grip and we're using closed-bolt, the gun will have huge butt, which could be made into a stock.

[Funk]

The AS-1924 has an aluminium stock and other fixtures, they haven't coursed a problem.
And aluminium should help reliability by not rusting as much as steel.

[Kot]

The AS-1924 has an aluminium stock and other fixtures, they haven't coursed a problem.
And aluminium should help reliability by not rusting as much as steel.

Aluminium stock, not "large amount of gun". There's a reason why If you tried to make the mechanisms or barrel from aluminium it proably would be very damn shitty. Not to mention that pure-aluminium barrel or mechanism would be unable to withstand the pressure.
Also, rusting steel isin't really a problem if you use your gun properly.