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Author Topic: Arms Race, Arstotzka: 1935 Production  (Read 162430 times)

Ukrainian Ranger

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Re: Arms Race, Arstotzka: 1923 Design
« Reply #1140 on: August 02, 2015, 04:12:10 am »

What about designing air superiority fighter... and if it is good revise a fighter-bomber version of it?

I doubt that we will have total superiority should they go for their own fighter.

Our main advantage over their possible fighter is that their stallions both heavier and less powerful than our 20mms but I am not sure it enough. It sucks that they can use aluminium now.

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Looking back aluminium 20mm AT\Sniper rifle would give us this expense credit and make war in mountains rather different... eh...
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« Reply #1141 on: August 02, 2015, 04:12:38 am »

Well, there's Tryrar's fighter, if we want to have total air superiority. The other option is to develop a dedicated bomber, which should be fast enough to evade their fighter screen and bomb their capital directly.

The other other option is to develop a divebomber.

Keep in mind mine can also act as a light bomber when the opportunity presents itself(and it should do so often :P)

Then let's add that specifically, with a bomb bay with say two heavy bombs, larger versions of our mortar shells.  Incendiary bombs for the jungle and fragmentation bombs for the mountains.

I fear we are going to see what an aluminum tank can do soon as they redesign their existing tank to have it.

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« Reply #1142 on: August 02, 2015, 04:13:41 am »

What about designing air superiority fighter... and if it is good revise a fighter-bomber version of it?

I doubt that we will have total superiority should they go for their own fighter.

Our main advantage over their possible fighter is that their stallions both heavier and less powerful than our 20mms but I am not sure it enough. It sucks that they can use aluminium now.

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Looking back aluminium 20mm AT\Sniper rifle would give us this expense credit and make war in mountains rather different... eh...

Instead we tried to go for the design credit. Se la vie.

I forget, was Tiger Fucker their non-replaceable spy?
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« Reply #1143 on: August 02, 2015, 04:15:58 am »

I don't like an idea of multirole aircraft. Multirole often means that it sucks in every role. I want our zoom and boom fighter.

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« Reply #1144 on: August 02, 2015, 04:17:57 am »

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I forget, was Tiger Fucker their non-replaceable spy?
He was.

Note also, that the enemy has less ore.
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« Reply #1145 on: August 02, 2015, 04:19:03 am »

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I forget, was Tiger Fucker their non-replaceable spy?
He was.

Note also, that the enemy has less ore.

Oh, cool, that means their spy advantage was neutralized! I guess trading that for aluminum is a bit of a silver lining.

I don't like an idea of multirole aircraft. Multirole often means that it sucks in every role. I want our zoom and boom fighter.

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« Reply #1146 on: August 02, 2015, 04:41:49 am »

P-51 was a long range escort fighter from mid-late ww2. We can't design something like that.

I am really worried about mountains... their recoillless rifle changed that front and losing it = losing the war with enemy having more ore and flanking our forces in plains and jungles.
Not sure that airforce can change situation here. Going for a ship may be our largest mistake that will cost the war
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« Reply #1147 on: August 02, 2015, 04:48:36 am »

Next time, let's try to make friends with the US rather than steal from them.

Ok, on to more important stuff. We need to hold the Mountains. The Ore we're getting is useful to us and more importantly, allowing the Mountains to be held by Moskurg could be very bad. Their LMG is very useful.

Here's what I propose. This year, we design a sniper rifle and revise our SMG's size so it becomes an assault rifle. Arstotzkans would do very well with sniper rifles. An assault rifle would be more useful, however. If we manage to get it cheap, we can get 5 soldiers with medium-range, automatic firepower compared to their 1 with the Brumby. As a nice bonus, it'll help us keep our ground in the Jungle.

The alternative is to design the assault rifle (basing it off the SMG so the SMG becomes cheap) and use our Revision to improve our infantry armour and camo.

Spoiler: AS-SR23 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: AS-AR23 (click to show/hide)

Glory to Arstotzka.

EDIT: Just so everyone knows my priorities, my priorities are taking back our ground in the Mountains, then the Jungle, then continuing our war in the Desert.

EDIT2: They've developed trucks and will quickly be able to exploit the resources of whatever region they capture.

EDIT3: SMGs and assault rifles are extremely useful in urban environments, both historically and in the battle report. (Despite being Expensive, they played a key role in the urban fight when we were taking the Plains.) We now have rebels in our home ground and these new weapons will help us take care of them.

EDIT4: I suspect the US is behind these rebels. We've both tried stealing from them, the US wants revenge, and this is the kind of thing they've historically done before.

EDIT5:
On the plus side, they can't really take advantage of that aluminum since it would simply be too expensive, and we can use a revision on our 1910s to make them lighter so they can be more mobile. That leaves what to design.
We tried making the 1910 more mobile and we got the 1910 Mag out of it. Revising it won't help.

EDIT6: Our sniper rifle should outclass their recoilless rifle due to its scope. Moskurgs can hit with their recoilless rifles only what they can see, after all.

EDIT7: Next turn, our armoured car becomes cheap unless we lose the Mountains. If we got cheap cars, we'd completely outnumber the enemy in the desert because they have absolutely no cheap vehicles. Our T15s also become merely Expensive but they're not that useful so whatever. Blitzkrieg all the way to Moskurg!
« Last Edit: August 02, 2015, 05:40:31 am by Andres »
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« Reply #1148 on: August 02, 2015, 05:22:21 am »

Hm.... Designing new machinegun will benefit our AA-defence, give us better weapon for our future fighters, improve motorbikes and more

In fact

Spoiler: AS-23 (click to show/hide)

We don't need airforce that badly, we need to hold mountains\jungles. This baby will do it. I use  calibre smaller than 12.5mm for portability.we need in jungles and mountains. Time to replace our ancient AS-10s.
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« Reply #1149 on: August 02, 2015, 05:27:55 am »

The idea of an LMG is sound but the cartridge you're suggesting we use is too large. Based on these four different guns, 7.76mm is the highest we can go. (The largest in that line-up was 7.62mm, by the way.) For some reason I thought our main cartridge was 7.76mm instead of 7.62mm.
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« Reply #1150 on: August 02, 2015, 05:35:11 am »

On another note, the enemy is probably going to use the technology they stole from us to upgrade their airforce. And since they have bombers, that could be bad.
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« Reply #1151 on: August 02, 2015, 05:41:58 am »

Andres, Idea is not an LMG. Idea is a better MMG  more powerful then AS-10 but rather light. I should have mentioned that I want 15-20 kg not 5-10 kg weight

On other hand if there are more support for 7.62 machinegun, I am ready to switch to it. I think you agree that better, more modern machinegun will benefit us on every front

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On another note, the enemy is probably going to use the technology they stole from us to upgrade their airforce. And since they have bombers, that could be bad.
It is a possibility but we have flak shells now, and if go my route, we will have newer, better machine-gun. We will not lose that much from losing air superiority. 

Also, we can use revision for truck based AA-platform or impoving current fighter one last time. Losing air is not that big problem as losing mountains because of worse infantry equipment.
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« Reply #1152 on: August 02, 2015, 05:45:27 am »

On another note, the enemy is probably going to use the technology they stole from us to upgrade their airforce. And since they have bombers, that could be bad.
What? No, of course they're not. Aluminium requires high amounts of Ore and they don't have high amounts of Ore. They only have 2 Ore and that'll only let them....completely make their bombers out of aluminium. Huh. Now it's seeming like we shouldn't have let them take one of our most valuable pieces of technology in order to do something that makes the US hate us more regardless of the outcome. Cest la freaking vie.

Glory to Arstotzka.

Andres, Idea is not an LMG. Idea is a better MMG  more powerful then AS-10 but rather light. I should have mentioned that I want 15-20 kg not 5-10 kg weight
Moskurg has been explicitly winning in both the Jungle and especially the Mountains due to them having an LMG and us not having one.
« Last Edit: August 02, 2015, 05:48:18 am by Andres »
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« Reply #1153 on: August 02, 2015, 05:50:52 am »

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Huh. Now it's seeming like we shouldn't have let them take one of our most valuable pieces of technology in order to do something that makes the US hate us more.
You are result oriented here. If rolls fell different way we would have another result. If we went for counter and rolls would be same, it would likely fail because we rolled low spying.

Also, I will be unpleasantly surprised if bombers made from aluminium will not take at least 3 ore because of size

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Moskurg has been explicitly winning in both the Jungle and especially the Mountains due to them having an LMG and us not having one.
OK, changing it too 7.62mm and LMG
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« Reply #1154 on: August 02, 2015, 05:54:27 am »

the assault rifle isn't bad if we could pull it off...  while I agree that they will update their armed forces, we should have enough AA for that not to impact us too much. at least I hope. keep in mind that we still have numerical superiority.

assault rifle + working camouflage would be rather powerful and could win us the mountains again. a sniper rifle might have the same effect. on the other hand, a new machinegun is also appealing.

that boat is turning out to be rather expensive...
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