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[Sheb]

Does it take a revise action to reinforce a design with aluminium? Or can we have a lighter T-15 now?

[10ebbor10]

On a side note, we have 4 ore, 2 oil this turn, right?

That means numerous planes, expensive tanks, and stuff like that.

[Andres]

If our aircraft ends up not being sabotaged by Moskurg espionage, send Andrei Zuyev to kill Husayn the Lion.

Glory to Arstotzka.

EDIT: If it doesn't cost a Revision or Design phase, use 2 Ore to improve our motorbikes' frame.

[VoidSlayer]

We need better armor, the current tank is just outdated.

[10ebbor10]

The current tank was outdated when it was designed, but yeah, better armor is needed.

On the positive side, we have aluminum.

Also, annoyed that despite all our work, our planes are still inferior to our enemy.

[Andres]

We need better armor, the current tank is just outdated.

I agree, but recapturing the Jungle is more important and we're winning in the Plains East Desert at the moment. Landmines weren't enough.

Also, annoyed that despite all our work, our planes are still inferior to our enemy.

Considering how horrible they were before, this isn't really that unexpected.

Hey UR, can we use the Expense credit on SMGs? We'll get to see how useful they are when they're mass-produced for a year and we wouldn't be "wasting" the Revision on it this year. After this, we could finally end our long argument.

Glory to Arstotzka.

[VoidSlayer]

They got really lucky in turning a light scout plane into a bomber/anti air interceptor with a single design roll.  Then again we got aluminum.

If we make an expensive tank, and use the Russian expense credit we can field inexpensive 'modern' tanks for this turn only, perhaps pushing back in the jungle.

[andrea]

they are ifnerior to their bomber, yes. but I would say it is generally even with their biplanes, and much better at inflicting ground casualties.

it seems they managed to patent OUR SMG. how does that even work?
thankfully, a spy of them is lost.

what do we design now? shall we try to enforce air superiority, hoping to push further in the desert? or do we finally get good armor, to the same effect?
Maybe armor is better, it would allow us to try to retake the jungles, as well as the desert. as long as they hold the jungle, our strafing in the mountains is less effective.( they can replace the ore from mountains with ore from jungle)

[Andres]

If we make an expensive tank, and use the Russian expense credit we can field inexpensive 'modern' tanks for this turn only, perhaps pushing back in the jungle.

Tanks don't really work well in the Jungle. We also know that radio and artillery aren't very important factors either. Armoured cars, LMGs, and SMGs are what's gotten Moskurg through the Jungle as much as it has. If we design our own armoured car, revise a captured Moskurgan LMG, and make our SMG non-Expensive with the Expense credit, we stand a good chance of retaking some of our ground.

Design the MV21.

Spoiler: MV21 (click to show/hide)

The MV21 is an armoured car build specifically for Jungle use. It runs on a petrol engine and has hydropneumatic suspension for increased speed, better terrain traversal, and a more stable shooting platform. It has an man-operated turret where a belt-fed AC18 with AP rounds can be mounted, though a 1910 can be mounted there instead. The passenger side has a 1910 mounted on it. The armour in the front should be enough to stop 7.76mm AP rounds, the armour on the sides should be enough to stop .30 cal rounds, and the armour in the rear should be enough to stop .35 cal pistol rounds.

Use 1 Ore to improve the frame of our motorbike.

Glory to Arstotzka.

EDIT: Get our HV20 to gather Oil instead of Ore. Reinforce our planes with aluminium (1 Ore) if we aren't already.

[10ebbor10]

They lost a spy for one turn only, considering they kept their vulnerable spy in counterintel.

I'm pretty sure that reinforcing is a design thing.

[Sensei]

Also, annoyed that despite all our work, our planes are still inferior to our enemy.

You got pretty good rolls for revising (6, 5, 1). If you had been designing, you'd probably have got a good aluminum plane with some weird bug. The problem is that the plane you were working with was barely salvageable.

[10ebbor10]

Also, annoyed that despite all our work, our planes are still inferior to our enemy.

You got pretty good rolls for revising (6, 5, 1). If you had been designing, you'd probably have got a good aluminum plane with some weird bug. The problem is that the plane you were working with was barely salvageable.

Now that you're here, is reinforcing designs with aluminum a revision action?

[Andres]

Also, annoyed that despite all our work, our planes are still inferior to our enemy.

You got pretty good rolls for revising (6, 5, 1). If you had been designing, you'd probably have got a good aluminum plane with some weird bug. The problem is that the plane you were working with was barely salvageable.

An overall 4 in design isn't that bad to be honest.

Also, annoyed that despite all our work, our planes are still inferior to our enemy.

You got pretty good rolls for revising (6, 5, 1). If you had been designing, you'd probably have got a good aluminum plane with some weird bug. The problem is that the plane you were working with was barely salvageable.

Now that you're here, is reinforcing designs with aluminum a revision action?

Good question. To me it seemed like it wasn't necessary. Also, did you get my action where our artillery can be hitched by our trucks?

[Sensei]

Aluminium reinforcing can be a revision, but it won't have nearly the benefit of building a plane mainly from aluminium.

Your artillery can be, hence forth, hitched to trucks. Of course, they can't maneuver while aiming the artillery, and require the carts to be hitched and unhitched, so they won't make a dramatic difference.

[Andres]

Aluminium reinforcing can be a revision, but it won't have nearly the benefit of building a plane mainly from aluminium.

Ah. Ok then.

Your artillery can be, hence forth, hitched to trucks. Of course, they can't maneuver while aiming the artillery, and require the carts to be hitched and unhitched, so they won't make a dramatic difference.

A minor advantage for a minor action is acceptable.

Glory to Arstotzka.