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[evilcherry]

ebbor, your third quote earlier refers to OUR tank having AP shells.

Yup I know. I just wanted to note AP was a real concern.

suspicious? maybe a little. But not a proof.

Off course not. But which is worse, suspicion that metagaming was used for advantage, or the knowledge that metagaming was used, but not to any advantage. I mean, it's no secret that Moskurg reads our thread, they admitted it themselves repeatedly. Thus the relevation that one of us read their thread should be of no importance.

Dropping the issue now, but I just wanted to show that Moskurg aren't saints either.

Mind you, ebbor, courts deal with facts, not hearsay.
If Arstotzka wanted some kind of integrity they should plead guilty to the league of nations on this front, and lets see how much they are going to cap your armed forces to.

[Andres]

Let's just stop the arguments. No one's going to metagame any more and throwing shit doesn't help.

[10ebbor10]

Spoiler: Answer to inquery (click to show/hide)

Mind you, ebbor, courts deal with facts, not hearsay

Sure, and there is such a thing as indirect evidence. Let's look at both cases.

Arztotska

We know that at least one player read the enemy design thread, and posted about it.
We know that the actions inside the thread, including proposals, made no utility of this information.

GM verdict : Innocent

Moskurg

We know that at least one player read the enemy design thread, and posted inside it.
We know that at least one proposal can be interpreted as being a reaction to a recently posted post

GM verdict : None given

I don't know why you're so hung up about this. Let's not forget one of your players actually accidentally posted in our thread.

[Andres]

That's enough, ebbor. Arguing about this further gets us nowhere. If it happens again feel free but at the moment there's no point.

[tryrar]

That's enough, ebbor. Arguing about this further gets us nowhere. If it happens again feel free but at the moment there's no point.

Agreed. Let's just all drop it.

[Radio Controlled]

You could consider using a hidden quicktopic.

[LordSlowpoke]

a hidden qt sounds like a perfectly reasonable solution to this whole problem

sensei?

[10ebbor10]

It doesn't.

It sounds like an overly complex solution to a problem which doesn't exist. And one likely to kill of or damage the game, or at the very least be a tremendous hassle for anyone who wants to join.

Besides, we should have access to the other teams thread for espionage purposes. Or how else did you know to steal our new and advanced fuel injection, or all those espionage actions you inflicted on us?

[andrea]

I think they just ordered to steal the tank( sure, both engine techs were expensive. But they were there). It just happened that we succeeded in making one of them cheap in our most predictable revision.
Just like when we ordered to sabotage their trains and instead ended up sabotaging their newly designed ones instead of the old ones.

[10ebbor10]

I don't generally mind you guys reading the other thread, as long as you're not blatantly making non-espionage decisions based on enemy equipment that hasn't seen the field yet. It's part of the fun reading all the shenanigans on both teams, and I occasionally dispense rules clarifications in only one thread.

Espionage allows reading the other thread.

[LordSlowpoke]

can confirm, i ordered the tank stolen before you fixed your fuel problems - in fact, sensei can confirm that too

but yeah, the qt won't retroactively prevent past salt, it'll prevent future salt

and it's not like you can't base espionage actions off of the state of the army in battle report

[10ebbor10]

The QT thread will kill off the game, eventually. It will prevent anyone new from joining. If it doesn't then it's ineffective against any people who want to metagame. It will greatly reduce enjoyement, introduce another hazzle, and increase GM workload.


The correct way to prevent future and past salt is to look back at what happened, and realize you're making a fuzz about nothing, and being hypocritical at the same time (which I will freely admit includes me as well).

[VoidSlayer]

I was the most vocal proponent of a cheap tank killer light vehicle for like 4 turns or something ever since you put out the T1.  There was no need to read any thread to know we needed to counter your armor with SOMETHING since we had nothing that countered it.

[andrea]

1) the T1 was adequately countered, since we made significant gains during its use.

2) could everyone drop it? nothing bad happened, a problem was highlighted and I am sure all parties will behave better now. There is no need to continue.

[Andres]

2) could everyone drop it? nothing bad happened, a problem was highlighted and I am sure all parties will behave better now. There is no need to continue.

+1