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[Sensei]

They stole the new one, with the nice fuel injectors. Doesn't that make you mad?

I deem the Arstotzkan design decisions to be not made based on total metagaming, most of that was stuff they wanted to do for a while anyway. Already, the fell wind of the ice giants blows in the tundra, there is no need for further denunciation.

[10ebbor10]

Should watch out for dust devils in the desert as well.

Anyway, a bit more nagging. I wanted to see just how much that Moskurgian ore shortage screwed up their forces, but then I noticed that multiple units have no noted ore requirement.

Brumby is one example.

[evilcherry]

Should watch out for dust devils in the desert as well.

Anyway, a bit more nagging. I wanted to see just how much that Moskurgian ore shortage screwed up their forces, but then I noticed that multiple units have no noted ore requirement.

Brumby is one example.

Considering this:

Dos an MG-34 count? . they got a pretty good GPMG coming this turn, so that might give us some problems

Clearly he explicitly considered his position on our not-yet-deployed new MP, unlike us who just peek and laugh at your puny attempts at actually metagaming.

[Devastator]

I'm a little dissapointed that we get held in the plains due to a lack of infantry trench-clearing weapons, and then we design a trench fighting weapon and a new, very good MG, and promptly get rolled to an enemy that we should quite frankly outclass in the reverse situation.  Didn't Arstotzka have to face the same problem?

[andrea]

it didn't influence the revision.  And it was the answer to a prediction of your future situation, noy anything related to this turn.

That said, GM rules our decision was unaffected. And you should really quote the part in which we call him on the metagaming. Really, it is much better when taken in the wider context.

@Sensei: yes, I am mad at them for getting our fuel injection 

[Devastator]

@Sensei: yes, I am mad at them for getting our fuel injection 

* Devastator gets out the worlds tiniest violin to the guy up three resources, two permanent.

[andrea]

well, not saying we are losing  . in fact, this turn is quite close to the best possible outcome in my predictions.

That doesn't mean I can't be annoyed at you stealing our tech the same turn we develope it. We got some of your tech as well, at least.

[tryrar]

I actually though I could make a joke like that since we already knew what the hell we were going to do that turn, and apologized for the metagaming later.

[10ebbor10]

Bon, since the other side is not letting it go, consider this. Note the timing

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Soldiers should start affixing scavenged armor plates to our armored cars. In normal conditions, this would increase enemy weapon efficiency, due to reducing bounce chance, but the enemy never developped any modern armor piercing shell. They're still firing pre-WW1 explosive shells or lead rounds at our units. Adding a bit of armor offset from the main armor will render their weaponry completely ineffective untill the armor is destroyed, which will take at least several shots.

Revise our line of shells to include proper AP (preferably with a shaped charge), flak and illumination shells.

The T25 has slightly more range, and moves faster, as well as having well-angled front armor, tough that doesn't apply to its turret. Most of all, its cannon is loaded with armor-piercing rounds. A T25 can typically penetrate a Breaker's armor at long range, whereas the Breaker has to get in closer.

So, I identify a flaw in your tank, and the immediate reaction is to fix it. That's more metagaming than simply mentioning the existence, that's direct reaction to a direct threat.

Normally, I would not have mentioned it, considering that flaw has existed for a long time, but still. The last time AP was mentioned in the Moskurf threat was 1924, so it's not like they planned it before.

[Devastator]

please note that 1924 had a gap of all of one turn before the most recent one.  So..

1924: pushes AP
1925: doesn't.
1926: pushes AP

[10ebbor10]

Aha, but look at this.

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Our old triwings have become outdated, but not yet useless. Triple wings means extra lift. Institute a night strafing campaign, where a plane approaches with engines off, strafes the enemy and returns. Unlike us, the enemy does not have flares.

In the same post, I identified another enemy flaw. Guess what was the second and third fix now  priority on that list. Flak and flare respectively.

[Taricus]

Most new round variants come in threes though, so I thought it'd be best to slap those on to ensure we know what we're getting.

[andrea]

ebbor, your third quote earlier refers to OUR tank having AP shells.

and flak and flares could as well be inspired by our own developement of those same.

suspicious? maybe a little. But not a proof.

[10ebbor10]

ebbor, your third quote earlier refers to OUR tank having AP shells.

Yup I know. I just wanted to note AP was a real concern.

suspicious? maybe a little. But not a proof.

Off course not. But which is worse, suspicion that metagaming was used for advantage, or the knowledge that metagaming was used, but not to any advantage. I mean, it's no secret that Moskurg reads our thread, they admitted it themselves repeatedly. Thus the relevation that one of us read their thread should be of no importance.

Dropping the issue now, but I just wanted to show that Moskurg aren't saints either.

[Devastator]

Thank you for making a direct accusation followed by telling us how you are dropping the issue.