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[Virtz]

The story and gameplay would've suffered heavily for Fallout, as they have the exact same styling of story within their newest shooter Battleborn. Fallout was never intended to be as memeish as Borderlands is now, even with the most random side missions and weirdness that was in Fallout 2.

Though it'd probably be about as linear as Fallout 4 was in retrospect.

What choices do you get in Borderlands? As far as I remember, it was fucking nothing. It had mmo quest design. Hardly the same level of linearity.

Fallout 1 and 2 were pretty memeish though.  Which I think works better in a top-down game with so much text?  When you come across a random encounter that's literally a giant Monty Python reference, I feel like it's easier to suspend disbelief if you aren't in first person with voice acting.

Fallout 1 and 2 had pop-culture references in easter eggs (and elsewhere in 2). Not horrendous internet memes.

[miauw62]

and the difference between those two is...?

[Ivefan]

What choices do you get in Borderlands? As far as I remember, it was fucking nothing. It had mmo quest design. Hardly the same level of linearity.

The choices of borderlands are five.
Character, skillset, guns, Do side quest Y/N and when to do quest.
Borderlands was enjoyable and had an amusing plot, but it ain't an rpg in my opinion.

[GiglameshDespair]

and the difference between those two is...?

Which one they are depends on whether he likes them or not.

[BFEL]

I dislike Borderlands because it has absolutely zero context to anything you do. It gives the feel that your character could just have stayed home and been a psychopath there and had exactly the same impact on the world.
Also, FUCK randomized weapons. Fuck them with a one bullet clip that does no damage because it was randomized and terrible.

When I bought Borderlands, I kinda expected a different game then what I got.
Fallout 4 is what I wanted Borderlands to be, but it is NOT what I wanted Fallout to be.

[motorbitch]

yeah, bl is a story heavy shooter that uses quests to allow the player to set the game pace and give him freedom to explore and decide when to do what. that doesnt make it an rpg.
but thats beside the point. noone could seriously want a borderline style game design for fallout.
anyway, im sorry i have derailed this topic so much. it was not my intention to start the discussion if bl is an rpg or a game rpg players would enjoy.


in other news, i just finished the game \o/
went with the railroad, the other factions all pissed me off to much. didnt like the ending at all. just blow everything up seems like a very unrational idea. who would do that in a world where most infrastructure is destroyed anyway?
also i just got some shot video. i hoped against all hope for a more traditional fallout ending, with would inform me about the consequences of the decissions i made during the game.

[Twinwolf]

Spoiler tag that, maybe?

[Flying Dice]

"FO2 wasn't full of stupid memes." "Games like Diablo don't count as RPGs."

Okay yeah I'm done arguing this point.

[Virtz]

and the difference between those two is...?

The way I see it, general pop-culture is more selective, internet pop-culture is not. Hence how general pop-culture references, such as those in Fallout 1 and 2, will include things like Indiana Jones, Star Trek, or Doctor Who, whereas internet pop-culture will include things like MS Paint faces, cat pictures and doge. Low-effort crap, often loud and obnoxious, that exists in internet pop-culture just because it got repeated a lot with minor alterations that, a lot of the time, made them funny in certain specific contexts rather than being worthwhile on their own. It's like the difference between making jokes between friends where really stupid shit is acceptable and funny in the right context, and trying to write jokes you intend to present to an actual broad audience.

[Flying Dice]

Wow. You just argued that references to Indiana Jones, Star Trek, and Doctor Who isn't obnoxious low-effort crap, as if they weren't shoehorned in to every possible situation by legions of idiots with no imagination just as much as any other meme. That's like saying that referencing Monty Python and the Holy Grail when you're playing a tabletop RPG is fresh and inspired. And that's terrible.

[Virtz]

Wow. You just argued that references to Indiana Jones, Star Trek, and Doctor Who isn't obnoxious low-effort crap, as if they weren't shoehorned in to every possible situation by legions of idiots with no imagination just as much as any other meme. That's like saying that referencing Monty Python and the Holy Grail when you're playing a tabletop RPG is fresh and inspired. And that's terrible.

That's not what I said. I called the thing being referenced crap, not the reference itself.

[Neonivek]

Well I am slightly disappointed

Vault Spoilers... one of the early vaults

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

So I find Vault 75 and find out that it is basically a vault where children are separated and trained militarily and scientifically for... Actually I have no idea what exactly the experiment is supposed to be in this case...

So they have a problem and a fire causes one of their important pieces of equipment to need replacing making them open the vault... and then...

Whelp we don't know.

Honestly the implication COULD be that the Gunners are actually Vault 75 Dwellers... it would actually make a lot of sense given the layout, as well as the fact that Vault 75 was pretty much a militaristic vault with a large fighting force more then capable of fending off a few raiders. Add in that there are few actual corpses to be found.

Yet it never really elaborates more. HECK I wanted to know a bit more about how the children and parents felt, but there were no real messages left behind.

It was all premise but no substance... I feel like I am back in New Vegas.

Add in that the layout and items make absolutely no sense. (Enemies behind doors that ONLY can be opened by someone... outside because no one inside has the keycard) and it was just a flub all around.

Also curse you game! I had Turret control protocols but I was stupid and forgot to eject it and now it is who knows where. Why developers why!?!

--

Finally turned my resource deficiency around... I guess looting everything bare has its advantages.

I kind of want to make a list of every object in the game that is surprisingly useful for example
1) Pencils: One of the few sources of lead... which is odd given that Pencils never had lead EVER.
2) Teddybears: Leather (and you need a lot of leather)
3) Fallout Boardgame: Radioactive material O_O
4) Baseballs: Cork!
5) Paint: Oil... Though to be fair, I thought this would be Lead given the time period.
6) Life Preservers: Screw? Wait what?
7) Cigarette packages/packs: Your best source of Asbestos, you will never need to carry fire extinguishers again.
Cooking Pot: Copper, note that all other "Cooking" items contain only steel
9) Coffee Pot: Asbestos and something else.

As well as ones that are oddly useless
1) test tubes and beakers: Only Glass, no crystal here
2) Cryogenic pumps: Only steel?
3) Scalpels: Only steel... only a surprise if you know what some can be made of.
4) Mop: Wood and Steel.

Though I probably should just make a list of objects you never need to pick up. But that would be a long list

[ZebioLizard2]

1) Pencils: One of the few sources of lead... which is odd given that Pencils never had lead EVER.

Actually the paint on the outside of pencils at one point contained very high concentrations of lead, which commonly gave kids lead poisoning when they chewed on it.

That and considering this fallout universe has actual radioactive materials within soft drinks, I'm sure it might actually be lead rather then Graphite inside the pencils.

[Neonivek]

That and considering this fallout universe has actual radioactive materials within soft drinks, I'm sure it might actually be lead rather then Graphite inside the pencils.

>_> Unfortunately... that kind of... actually happened.

I wish Fallout made it up.

[Shooer]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

So I find Vault 75 and find out that it is basically a vault where children are separated and trained militarily and scientifically for... Actually I have no idea what exactly the experiment is supposed to be in this case...

So they have a problem and a fire causes one of their important pieces of equipment to need replacing making them open the vault... and then...

Whelp we don't know.

Honestly the implication COULD be that the Gunners are actually Vault 75 Dwellers... it would actually make a lot of sense given the layout, as well as the fact that Vault 75 was pretty much a militaristic vault with a large fighting force more then capable of fending off a few raiders. Add in that there are few actual corpses to be found.

Yet it never really elaborates more. HECK I wanted to know a bit more about how the children and parents felt, but there were no real messages left behind.

It was all premise but no substance... I feel like I am back in New Vegas.

Add in that the layout and items make absolutely no sense. (Enemies behind doors that ONLY can be opened by someone... outside because no one inside has the keycard) and it was just a flub all around.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Most of that can be answered with the first few consoles you find in 75, along with the chief scientist's and overseer's.
When the vault let people in the parents and children were separated.  Children were given an orientation, parents were... removed from this mortal coil.
The goal wasn't children soldiers, it was the perfect soldier and scientist using genetic screening.
Then using these collected genetics to then mechanically create the next generation.  The only people allowed to live past being a teenager were those selected to become a new scientist, and only because they showed high intelligence but not high physical attributes.

I also thought that 75 seemed like the logical place for the gunners to originate.  Seeing as they still followed a pre-war military hierarchy and pre-war equipment but that seems to be all their ties to the pre-war era.

My main complaint that of the vaults in the game 2 share a ridiculously close theme.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Separated double vault with one part being guinea pig for the other.