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[SOLDIER First]

I used to be doing one of those, but without the twisted part. With Good karma.
I think the game decided it made so little sense that it had to destroy the save.

[Graknorke]

Shit like that actually happens.

Are there really many forces equivalent to the Legion going around nowadays?

[Rolan7]

Primitive, often violent and xenophobic communities where women are fourth-class citizens?  Yeah.

[dennislp3]

ptw

[Bohandas]

Shit like that actually happens.

Are there really many forces equivalent to the Legion going around nowadays?

Not around here. Mostly in parts of the middle-east and africa.

[sambojin]

I now have to work out a way of fitting that into a conversation somehow.

"You know, you're a bit like Borderlands in some ways.", he said, shaking his head in disgust.

[Bohandas]

I have, every good-karma playthrough of NV, without fail, killed Vulpes Inculta and his legionaries.

I've killed him on EVERY playthrough, even the evil ones. There's a big world of difference between the Legion and the relatively benign Fiends and Powder Gang.

[Rolan7]

Yeah the Powder Gangers make sense to me.
Dunno about the Fiends, they seem as monstrous as the Legion.  Just more inept.  I mean, they're all about the rape too, they just aren't a state-spanning empire of it.

Re-downloading FO3 now, I never really did anything with Tenpenny tower.  I'm going to ignore the courier's obnoxious moustache-twirling evilness and actually give the tower a shot.  From what my friends say, many of the occupants are pretty reasonable people.

For combat I'll probably go with melee and big guns.  I've overused energy weapons in pretty much every game, using small guns at first in the early games where energy weapons were actually at all rare.  And my last NV playthrough was a very successful unarmed run (where I was armed almost from the start...  Should have gone for paralyzing palm I guess, but the "unarmed" arms dealt so much damage.)  Always avoided blades and big guns.

I seem to remember a flaming chainsword, I think it was in the den of vampires...  Old half-remembered memories are the best memories!

[Bohandas]

Yeah the Powder Gangers make sense to me.
Dunno about the Fiends, they seem as monstrous as the Legion.  Just more inept.  I mean, they're all about the rape too, they just aren't a state-spanning empire of it.

They're not all about rape, it's just one of the things they happen to do. The Legion on the other hand is all about rape...and slavery...and suppression of dissidents...and violence in general...and in addition to these physical evils also just about every vile mental vice imaginable, militancy, ludditeism, ultranationalism, sexism, a cult of personality, cultural chauvinism...

[TheDarkStar]

IIRC, it's hard to play as a high-karma character and also help the Legion.

[SOLDIER First]

I think I was about halfway through Caesar's questline after finally catching Benny (before various save deletions, of course) and usually had around 600 Karma or so?

[umiman]

The only reason I don't like the Legion is because of their stupid-ass naming convention and their obnoxious uniforms. I mean, c'mon! If you're gonna go Roman themed you gotta get those long flowing red cloaks! Other than that I don't really have any issues with the way they do things. They actually seem milder and nicer than a lot of dudes in our actual history. But maybe they can't actually portray the really horrific shit that some of us have gotten up to in the past as that would get the game banned.

Well... The other thing is that their system of government has no future whatsoever due to how every single thing revolves around one single dude who clearly hasn't trained or prepared anyone to take over. He doesn't even appear to delegate jobs properly. He should have played more Crusader Kings 2.

Honestly Caesar is more like Alexander the Great than Julius Caesar.

[ZebioLizard2]

Well there's a reason they are the Caesars Legion rather then the faction of Rome. They act as if they are simply an army with a full chain of command.

[Flying Dice]

Yeah the Powder Gangers make sense to me.
Dunno about the Fiends, they seem as monstrous as the Legion.  Just more inept.  I mean, they're all about the rape too, they just aren't a state-spanning empire of it.

They're not all about rape, it's just one of the things they happen to do. The Legion on the other hand is all about rape...and slavery...and suppression of dissidents...and violence in general...and in addition to these physical evils also just about every vile mental vice imaginable, militancy, ludditeism, ultranationalism, sexism, a cult of personality, cultural chauvinism...

That's right, Fiends aren't just about rape, they're also about cannibalism and drug abuse!

[Teneb]

IIRC, it's hard to play as a high-karma character and also help the Legion.

It's actually trivially easy. I had to go to great lengths in order to lower my karma to neutral in my legion run. The reason for that is that some enemies give way too much karma for being killed, when it makes no sense for them to give karma at all. Feral ghouls are the main offenders, especially the ones in the tunnels near the Boomer base. You also get no negative karma by killed the NCR troopers. Or by doing Legion quests, I think. I think the only way to actually get negative karma is to kill civilians and commit crimes (as well as cannibalism, I guess).

Yeah the Powder Gangers make sense to me.
Dunno about the Fiends, they seem as monstrous as the Legion.  Just more inept.  I mean, they're all about the rape too, they just aren't a state-spanning empire of it.

They're not all about rape, it's just one of the things they happen to do. The Legion on the other hand is all about rape...and slavery...and suppression of dissidents...and violence in general...and in addition to these physical evils also just about every vile mental vice imaginable, militancy, ludditeism, ultranationalism, sexism, a cult of personality, cultural chauvinism...

That's right, Fiends aren't just about rape, they're also about cannibalism and drug abuse!

Let's not forget burning people alive for sport, that's the most important part.