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Re: Lexicon: Unconventional Weapons
« Reply #165 on: June 03, 2015, 12:16:23 am »

Assuming the test goes on long enough, slap me back in the queue.
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Re: Lexicon: Unconventional Weapons
« Reply #166 on: June 03, 2015, 12:19:57 am »

Eh, I think that you should need to put someone or something's name in your spell list to be able to cast a spell with it as a component. There's more room for fun and lethal interpretation that way (c'mon Piecewise, you know you want to...).

On a completely unrelated note, I have decided to change my character's name to Self self (first and last name, respectively).
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Re: Lexicon: Unconventional Weapons
« Reply #167 on: June 03, 2015, 12:40:00 am »

On a completely unrelated note, I have decided to change my character's name to Self self (first and last name, respectively).
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Re: Lexicon: Unconventional Weapons
« Reply #168 on: June 03, 2015, 02:00:17 am »

((Too bad we can't use our own name to target ourselves.))

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Re: Lexicon: Unconventional Weapons
« Reply #169 on: June 03, 2015, 09:23:38 am »

((Too bad we can't use our own name to target ourselves.))
Who says you can't?

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Re: Lexicon: Unconventional Weapons
« Reply #170 on: June 03, 2015, 01:54:17 pm »

((Too bad we can't use our own name to target ourselves.))
Who says you can't?
((I thought you said it's like a projectile spell. I don't wanna shoot a dragon at myself.))
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Re: Lexicon: Unconventional Weapons
« Reply #171 on: June 04, 2015, 09:19:26 am »

((Too bad we can't use our own name to target ourselves.))
Who says you can't?
((I thought you said it's like a projectile spell. I don't wanna shoot a dragon at myself.))
I mean for the purposes of dodging it's handled like a projectile. Though phrasing would matter. "Beirus Dragon" could produce a hell of a lot of of results, depending on the potency. But "Beirus Transform Dragon" is fairly cut and dry.

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Re: Lexicon: Unconventional Weapons
« Reply #172 on: June 04, 2015, 09:28:56 am »

We'll go on a short hiatus here while I consider additional rules and create a new arena. Are there any rules or things that you think need explaining or regulation?

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Re: Lexicon: Unconventional Weapons
« Reply #173 on: June 04, 2015, 01:57:17 pm »

I sort of feel that the half pool trick I've been doing is somewhat OP, but I'm not sure.  It might just feel like that because I'm the only person doing it.

I kinda want some way to create new words to add to your spell list, beside stealing from others.

I definitely think that using people's names is OP, primarily because you don't have to spend a point to recharg a name.  Although, if the name reduces the effect enough, it might be fair.  Is "break(2) Beirus" stronger than "break gaze"?  Because they effectively cost the same. 

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Re: Lexicon: Unconventional Weapons
« Reply #174 on: June 04, 2015, 02:06:09 pm »

Maybe you can't use someone's name until you somehow learn their 'true' name (wizards use pseudonyms for this purpose) and put it into your wordlist.
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Re: Lexicon: Unconventional Weapons
« Reply #175 on: June 04, 2015, 02:09:46 pm »

Maybe make it so you can add a word from your victim's list to your own, instead of switching.
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Re: Lexicon: Unconventional Weapons
« Reply #176 on: June 04, 2015, 02:17:22 pm »

Would you mind explaining your thinking or rationale behind the word recharge system, Mr. Piecewise Sir? Just trying to pick your brain a little, and I had an idea for a possible mechanic but need to know what your thinking is.
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Re: Lexicon: Unconventional Weapons
« Reply #177 on: June 04, 2015, 09:19:13 pm »

I sort of feel that the half pool trick I've been doing is somewhat OP, but I'm not sure.  It might just feel like that because I'm the only person doing it.

I kinda want some way to create new words to add to your spell list, beside stealing from others.

I definitely think that using people's names is OP, primarily because you don't have to spend a point to recharg a name.  Although, if the name reduces the effect enough, it might be fair.  Is "break(2) Beirus" stronger than "break gaze"?  Because they effectively cost the same. 
Well, in the oldest version of perplexicon we only recharged one point each turn. And we had a lot of turns of people just sitting around. After that it just fully recharged at the end of every turn, and that is arguably much more op.  This is the midground between the two and gives you some control over how quickly it regens, as well as there being some downside to just always using full power magic all the time.

Well, I asked if we should just do it where you don't have a list and can just use whatever words you want, but people complained. We could make it so you can switch one word out per turn or something. Or we could just try it the way I was talking about earlier. Though Doc will be annoyed since he did a great big list.

But they don't though, one costs 3, the other costs 2. Names still require you to use pool, just not to recharge them. Unless you want to have them be some sort of understood part of everyone's list that requires charging too.

Maybe you can't use someone's name until you somehow learn their 'true' name (wizards use pseudonyms for this purpose) and put it into your wordlist.
I don't think anyone would ever learn anyone's true name though. I can't really see how that would happen.

Would you mind explaining your thinking or rationale behind the word recharge system, Mr. Piecewise Sir? Just trying to pick your brain a little, and I had an idea for a possible mechanic but need to know what your thinking is.
Well, it was mainly a way of forcing people consider which words they use carefully since they just can't spam them without cost.




Alternatively, if I really want to fuck with people, I'll say you can use any words you want, but you can only use them once.

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Re: Lexicon: Unconventional Weapons
« Reply #178 on: June 04, 2015, 09:21:46 pm »

Oh, and what I'm thinking for the new arena is a sort of modular thing. It would be one large arena and then I would roll and it would chose hazards and objects to put in the arena. I'm thinking this mostly because a big, huge multi-room area might work, but since we're not doing anything more then murdering, would it really matter?

Plus, if we stick it in the arena, I have an excuse to bump the players up to 6 and have 3 on 3 matches. 3 on 3 magic dodgeball.

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Re: Lexicon: Unconventional Weapons
« Reply #179 on: June 04, 2015, 09:23:43 pm »

I definitely think that using people's names is OP, primarily because you don't have to spend a point to recharg a name.  Although, if the name reduces the effect enough, it might be fair.  Is "break(2) Beirus" stronger than "break gaze"?  Because they effectively cost the same. 
But they don't though, one costs 3, the other costs 2. Names still require you to use pool, just not to recharge them. Unless you want to have them be some sort of understood part of everyone's list that requires charging too.
Gonna stop you there. He's including the cost of recharging in the spell.
Break Gaze: 2 (cast) + 2(recharge) = 4
Break(2) Beirus: 3 (cast) + 1(recharge) = 4

Edit: Also, if you do include truename targeting, then: "Learn (2) All (2) truenames", "Explode <truename>"
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