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Author Topic: Cult Mafia 2 - Game Over! Cult victory!  (Read 35476 times)

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Re: Cult Mafia 2 - Day 4: Tourist Trap [7/9]
« Reply #255 on: June 04, 2015, 02:54:25 pm »

what is troubling is that he tried to implicate someone in their claim. It seemed unecessary.
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Re: Cult Mafia 2 - Day 4: Tourist Trap [7/9]
« Reply #256 on: June 04, 2015, 03:07:26 pm »

what is troubling is that he tried to implicate someone in their claim. It seemed unecessary.
Erm, who are you addressing and where is this connected to? ._.
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Re: Cult Mafia 2 - Day 4: Tourist Trap [7/9]
« Reply #257 on: June 04, 2015, 03:32:09 pm »

Mod: Are hammers in effect? Didn't see anything in the OP.
No hammers.
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Re: Cult Mafia 2 - Day 4: Tourist Trap [7/9]
« Reply #258 on: June 04, 2015, 04:17:21 pm »

Tiruin I don't really have a reason for voting last minute other than I'm a skilled procrastinator and it's incredibly difficult to decide. But last day it was because I found the Roo vote suspicious
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Re: Cult Mafia 2 - Day 4: Tourist Trap [7/9]
« Reply #259 on: June 04, 2015, 04:20:49 pm »

Did ya keep updated with the thread through your activities there? :O

Second: Were you fully aware of the consequences of your vote?
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Re: Cult Mafia 2 - Day 4: Tourist Trap [7/9]
« Reply #260 on: June 04, 2015, 06:33:17 pm »

Everyone, night 1 I blocked Generally, night 2 I blocked OSG and night 3 I blocked Tiruin. Since Tiruin's trying to push suspicion onto GM, I'd be inclined to think he's town, or at least not the cult leader. Since one of my blocks must have worked, that means that OSG is either town or the cult leader (or could be a cultist if Tiruin's the leader), and Tiruin's either a cultist or the leader. Tiruin
...So you're actually the cult leader who is fakeclaiming today, and pretty much lying about what he's saying to advocate a lynch?
This is interesting.
What's especially interesting is that nothing in what you quoted supports the claim you just made. Which part exactly am I meant to be lying about?

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You drop the open notion of the cult leader not doing anything (which would totally make sense in N1 given that I wasn't even present there), and instead provoke, with a direct (and reasonable) bout of logic.
The cult leader doing nothing wasn't an open notion. It was brought up as an unlikely hope once and never discussed as an actual possibility.

You claimed that you took no action on Night 1 as part of your jailer fake claim. I have no reason to believe it, and no reason to believe you couldn't pre-emptively send in a conversion target in case of being busy.

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In layman's terms: You're shortening the spear to prod the person right next to you.
This isn't an idiom I'm familiar with. But if the person next to me is the one we need to kill for the town to win, shortening the spear doesn't seem like a bad idea.

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...In other words: Dude, if you're town, be serious. Are you exactly that certain of yourself, or do you assume I'm the cult leader without jumping on the most basic fact...that I couldn't have acted N1 (and then building your idea from that statement, connecting it probably to my Jailer claim dot dot ellipsis...adding on conclusive data, OTHER than justifying your own Jailing with a lack of direct -respect- to your target)?
You claim not to have acted Night 1, which is nice and all, but I have no reason to believe you as I said before.

Between thinking that the cult leader couldn't or wouldn't convert someone and thinking that I blocked at least one conversion, I don't think it's particularly conceited of me to think that the latter is more likely. Since me hitting the leader is more likely than both of us targetting the same person, and since I think you're more likely to be the leader than OSG, I'm voting for you. That seems reasonable enough to me. I don't know what the stuff in the brackets means, I'm afraid.
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Re: Cult Mafia 2 - Day 4: Tourist Trap [7/9]
« Reply #261 on: June 04, 2015, 06:47:07 pm »

The plum brandy-chugging tourist finishes off his bottle, only to start vomiting on the floor.  Someone brought their cat and has decided to shove her in front of every researcher, probably to show her off.  A young man touched one of the mysterious devices and disappeared.

The usual.


Votecount:
- Peradon - (0)
- Teneb - (0)
- roo - (0)
- origamiscienceguy - (0)
- Generally me - Peradon (1)
- Deus Asmoth - (0)
- Tiruin - Deus Asmoth (1)
No Lynch - (0)

Extend: Tiruin (1/3)

Not voting: roo, origamiscienceguy, Teneb, Generally me, Tiruin

Day 4 ends at 4:40 PM PST June 8th.
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Re: Cult Mafia 2 - Day 4: Tourist Trap [7/9]
« Reply #262 on: June 05, 2015, 12:11:33 am »

Everyone, night 1 I blocked Generally, night 2 I blocked OSG and night 3 I blocked Tiruin. Since Tiruin's trying to push suspicion onto GM, I'd be inclined to think he's town, or at least not the cult leader. Since one of my blocks must have worked, that means that OSG is either town or the cult leader (or could be a cultist if Tiruin's the leader), and Tiruin's either a cultist or the leader. Tiruin
...And to humor you and any assumption henceforth: Given your role of logic here, I'll counter it--given all you can glean from Tiruin in this game, why would she risk herself as a fakeclaim in this instance?
Let's discuss this with visibility and directness, shall we? Accusations of WIFOM aside, your logic is skewed.

Why would you create the speculation that there's an either/or, pertaining to the orange portion? That would give the assumption that I'm willing to risk myself--if a leader--in the workings of a mislynch today. (Cultist = free pawn = 4v3 scenario [Which you vote for me]. Which is very weird explaining my contradiction to your either/or.)

Let's pull your logic:
N1/N2 = Nope.
N3 = Hit Cultist leader, or possibly Tiruin who was cult'd in the last 2 nights, but counting that--then your leader would be one of the N1/N2, presuming the cult...cult'd everyday after.

But in this scenario, its STILL a seven man game :D
So, I'm the cult leader. I claimed as jailer--though on my part, I know I was jailed (and I would've acted N2, in the least; Your argument, DA, did not encompass a very crucial note :I).
But anyway.
It's like D3 all over again, if that is the case. I wonder on the exact difference where you think I'm a CULTIST and then vote me, instead of broaching purely being a leader, since its a 4v3 scenario using that logic.

In my total perspective: if you were, seriously, the Jailer--you would've had this VERY climactic portion of this time of day (broaching experience, saying that this is one influence leading to...), and you would be pretty aware of the words you use here. Either/or is a test, or in innocuous terms, you poking at a general idea when one who actually has that role would've been more...picky(?), exact seems better. Maybe because you're "deciding" amongst the three you 'jailed', as a plausibility.

It's more interesting that you can draw a conjunctive between OSG and Me, and yet use the notion of Leader and Cultist MAINLY on me (with lacking context as to why. Same goes for your first two other 'jails'). Your 'therefore' broaches only the superficial, and then some.

It's expressively interesting that your first note against me did not include any direct mention of me fakeclaiming. But "in between the words unmentioned," there's that label instead, to draw attention.

Because seriously:
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"that means that"
Is this 'all' the meaning present? Or the 'most obvious [to me]' meaning?
Fakeclaim harder, please. :-\
While you may be new to the cult game, this kind of game specifically favors directness instead of certainty.

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Since Tiruin's trying to push suspicion onto GM, I'd be inclined to think he's town, or at least not the cult leader.
Also, She. :v

Why is it an either/or case for you, DA? Is this so called jailer being ambivalent at this time?

If I've missed anything, please correct me.


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You claimed that you took no action on Night 1 as part of your jailer fake claim. I have no reason to believe it, and no reason to believe you couldn't pre-emptively send in a conversion target in case of being busy.
And you've no reason to even ask about it either. Just assuming. :v
But SOMEHOW all these assumptions end up in a one-sided conclusion, so the logic is left inbetween all your lines there.
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This isn't an idiom I'm familiar with.
I ran out of idioms and made my own ._.

tl;dr: DA, if you're seriously the jailor, your 'introduction post' lacks a ton of point to it. It's vague fishing.
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Re: Cult Mafia 2 - Day 4: Tourist Trap [7/9]
« Reply #263 on: June 05, 2015, 12:27:39 am »

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Since Tiruin's trying to push suspicion onto GM, I'd be inclined to think he's town, or at least not the cult leader.
Also, She. :v
Oops, misread this (and was confused on the wording in the first place).
Query ahead though--why do you think I'm "pushing suspicion onto GM"?
On what basis does your inclination stand on?
It's like subtly saying 'Oh I believe this person is innocent, and she thinks so too, but she's working on it and I'll call her out'.
Because I'm literally noting 'pushing suspicion' instead of 'advocating a lynch' (or any other degree of forwardness) when in all days prior--there is no valid basis, assumed 'jailer' or otherwise, in making someone stand up above the other.

That's what I mean by your lacking context, DA.
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Re: Cult Mafia 2 - Day 4: Tourist Trap [7/9]
« Reply #264 on: June 05, 2015, 01:34:15 am »

Good lord, content explosion. Finally.

Now, we have a Jailor gambit by OSG, a counter-claim by DA, and a counter-counter-claim by Tiruin. Interesting.

I cant find Tiruin's claims on who was blocked. So, Tiruin, who did you block, and what nights?

Also, Extend

Spoiler: OOC stuff (click to show/hide)
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Re: Cult Mafia 2 - Day 4: Tourist Trap [7/9]
« Reply #265 on: June 05, 2015, 01:52:19 am »

Good lord, content explosion. Finally.

Now, we have a Jailor gambit by OSG, a counter-claim by DA, and a counter-counter-claim by Tiruin. Interesting.

I cant find Tiruin's claims on who was blocked. So, Tiruin, who did you block, and what nights?

Also, Extend

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* Tiruin boops yer face with a pillow :O
This is content-nyancat. Click me!

And I would initially just have claimed today, but then timezones and net issues = No u can only post latur. :I
[Also day ends in...3 days from now. I moved for extension due to the...intricate level of detail we're having today. Yeah its game-based]
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Re: Cult Mafia 2 - Day 4: Tourist Trap [7/9]
« Reply #266 on: June 05, 2015, 01:54:08 am »

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« Reply #267 on: June 05, 2015, 02:17:51 am »

Good lord, content explosion. Finally.

Now, we have a Jailor gambit by OSG, a counter-claim by DA, and a counter-counter-claim by Tiruin. Interesting.

I cant find Tiruin's claims on who was blocked. So, Tiruin, who did you block, and what nights?

Also, Extend

Spoiler: OOC stuff (click to show/hide)
* Tiruin boops yer face with a pillow :O
This is content-nyancat. Click me!

And I would initially just have claimed today, but then timezones and net issues = No u can only post latur. :I
[Also day ends in...3 days from now. I moved for extension due to the...intricate level of detail we're having today. Yeah its game-based]
:/, didnt see that.

Ok, so both you and DA claimed they blocked GeMe. Interesting. So, if you are the jailor, GeMe is most probably cult leader. If DA is jailor... things get muddled, and this line of thought doesnt work anymore. Hrm. Well....

Everyone, night 1 I blocked Generally, night 2 I blocked OSG and night 3 I blocked Tiruin. Since Tiruin's trying to push suspicion onto GM, I'd be inclined to think he's town, or at least not the cult leader. Since one of my blocks must have worked, that means that OSG is either town or the cult leader (or could be a cultist if Tiruin's the leader), and Tiruin's either a cultist or the leader. Tiruin
I do not understand this reasoning. I get why you would say GeMe is town, but you claim that OSG can only be cult if Tiruin is cult leader. Why?

Right now, I'm inclined to believe Tiruin, which means my vote stays on GeMe. But if Tiruin is lying, that leaves us with either OSG or Tiruin as Leader, and I dont think the leader would risk fakeclaiming jailor. GeMe is out, unless Tiruin is gambiting/bussing the Cult Leader, which is a big risk to take, IMO...
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Re: Cult Mafia 2 - Day 4: Tourist Trap [7/9]
« Reply #268 on: June 05, 2015, 02:23:26 am »

[...]unless Tiruin is gambiting/bussing the Cult Leader, which is a big risk to take, IMO...
Err, quickpost here.
...I honestly do not understand this possibility.

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Re: Cult Mafia 2 - Day 4: Tourist Trap [7/9]
« Reply #269 on: June 05, 2015, 12:45:03 pm »

Tiruin what were the consequences for my vote?
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