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[coleslaw35]

And as I go back to my post and update some stuff, you post things which invalidate some of it

We're all Sonic!

Good job though. Like, I said in my edit, I didn't know what makes a Radar any good.

Those POAC variants would be extra fun as well. I always imagined an AT POAC looking sort of like the German SdKfz armored car with the big cannon.

Also, Pi, how does your program work? We only produced one and a half 7.62.54rmm rounds, lol? That's sorta confusing me.

[3_14159]

And as I go back to my post and update some stuff, you post things which invalidate some of it

We're all Sonic!

That's what I'm here for

Good job though. Like, I said in my edit, I didn't know what makes a Radar any good.

Me neither, which is why I've looked up a few systems, juggled a few numbers, and let most of the technical details where they belong, i.e. reality.

Also, Pi, how does your program work? We only produced one and a half 7.62.54rmm rounds, lol? That's sorta confusing me.

7.62x54mm rounds are very expensive because of the need to stamp "GLORY TO ARSTOTZKA" on it.
Jokes aside, Asea sensibly prefers tracking the ammo in production batches instead of single rounds. 1 7.62x54mm round therefore corresponds to the output of one factory line over six months.

[Aseaheru]

That was an example, but ammunition (and other consumables) will be in single digits. Mostly so that when theres a battle I can say "10 units of 7.62x54mmR ammunition where used during the battle" instead of, I dunno, "87,987 rounds of 7.62x54mmR where used during the battle".

Mines and the like wont be done like that.

The AEM1932. I actually did forget this was what we were using, lol. Haven't we been making ships all this time? Are we just manufacturing floating weapons platforms? Yikes. Could be a bigger mess-up than we think.

Nope, they're using other engines. At least, as far as I know.

Yep. Some use the same engines as the POAC, some use aircraft engines.

Also, Aseaheru: Why did the plane include only 60 shots for the cannons? Is there another reason but low rolls?

Yep. No one asked for them. Just for the AAA variant of the cannon. Bad rolls helped. Hell, if you had gotten really, really good roles and used the aircraft cannon they may have made that thing belt feeding. But not defining feed systems meant it was more of a "Hmmm... What do I think they would put in..."

-ninja edit-

DARN THOSE NINJAS! GET OFF MY POST!

* Aseaheru shakes his old-man fist.

[coleslaw35]

Also, Pi, how does your program work? We only produced one and a half 7.62.54rmm rounds, lol? That's sorta confusing me.

7.62x54mm rounds are very expensive because of the need to stamp "GLORY TO ARSTOTZKA" on it.
Jokes aside, Asea sensibly prefers tracking the ammo in production batches instead of single rounds. 1 7.62x54mm round therefore corresponds to the output of one factory line over six months.

Thanks. I was thinking something along the lines of that, but I just wanted to make sure.

Yep. No one asked for them. Just for the AAA variant of the cannon. Bad rolls helped. Hell, if you had gotten really, really good roles and used the aircraft cannon they may have made that thing belt feeding. But not defining feed systems meant it was more of a "Hmmm... What do I think they would put in..."

Is it possible to have the aircraft team just revise the new fighter a tad and try to work on some key negatives like the slow speeds, immaneuverability, and most importantly a belt feeding cannon or would we have to make an entirely new fighter?

[Aseaheru]

Certainly. Im never gonna make you develop totally new designs. If its physically impossible, Ill just let you have a team spend years banging their heads on it untill one of them becomes godlike and tells you that its not gonna work.

Or I'm gonna have them build a timebomb and shove it at the council again.

[coleslaw35]

Certainly. Im never gonna make you develop totally new designs. If its physically impossible, Ill just let you have a team spend years banging their heads on it untill one of them becomes godlike and tells you that its not gonna work.

Lol, alright. I suppose we should see if we can salvage some of the planes performance before we design a new one.

Or I'm gonna have them build a timebomb and shove it at the council again.

oh god no the council is already incredibly angry with us.

[3_14159]

Phew. Those are the stock numbers for 1935/1, as close as I can be:

Spoiler: Stocks (click to show/hide)

7.62x54mm ammo: 11
RM1891: 27500
SM1895: 1750
7.62x38mm ammo: 4
Karp-class submarine: 1
MM1911: 314
T-18 engine: 0
T-18 gun: 0
T-18 light tank: 6
Ofery-class destroyer: 1
40mm ammo: 3
M1932 40mmAAA Cannon: -4
EAM M1932: 200
EAM M1932 ammo: 4
SDE M1933: 14
Ray Class HSCS: 1
CDV M1933: 2
Skate Class HSCS: 1
ATHM1933: -3
AATSM1933 HiLo ammo: 3
AEM 1933 Hurricane: 30
ATHM1933 ammo: 3
AATSM1933 HiLo: 6
T18 M1934: 60
MM1902: 10000
MM1927: 1830
Shockwave: 4
HGAA M1934 Baklan: 6
.45 ACP ammo: 3
MM1934: 450
SMM1934 Double: 600
SM1911/34: 600

Negative numbers mean that some vehicle using these items will be incomplete. In this case, it's probably the Shockwave FACs.

Also, Aseaheru: Why did the plane include only 60 shots for the cannons? Is there another reason but low rolls?

Yep. No one asked for them. Just for the AAA variant of the cannon. Bad rolls helped. Hell, if you had gotten really, really good roles and used the aircraft cannon they may have made that thing belt feeding. But not defining feed systems meant it was more of a "Hmmm... What do I think they would put in..."

Actually, I did ("Armament: 2x CA-AAA-M1935, 300-500 round belts"), but I'll just add "Lacking in reading comprehension" to our engineers' long list of sins and blame it on the bad roll :-)

[coleslaw35]

Yeah, our engineers aren't the brightest. We need to use a turn to "Design" a better education system

[Funk]

Certainly. Im never gonna make you develop totally new designs. If its physically impossible, Ill just let you have a team spend years banging their heads on it untill one of them becomes godlike and tells you that its not gonna work.

Lol, alright. I suppose we should see if we can salvage some of the planes performance before we design a new one.

Why not have both, a fixed I-C-M1936 and user heavier Firestorm Design as high altitude interceptor?

Have one team work on makeing the I-C-M1936 faster and more manoeuvrable by refitting it with smaller aircraft guns and better wings.
The other team can work on the Firestorm and focus on it being a bomber killer and for go dog fighting ability for speed and armour.

[coleslaw35]

Certainly. Im never gonna make you develop totally new designs. If its physically impossible, Ill just let you have a team spend years banging their heads on it untill one of them becomes godlike and tells you that its not gonna work.

Lol, alright. I suppose we should see if we can salvage some of the planes performance before we design a new one.

Why not have both, a fixed I-C-M1936 and user heavier Firestorm Design as high altitude interceptor?

Have one team work on makeing the I-C-M1936 faster and more manoeuvrable by refitting it with smaller aircraft guns and better wings.
The other team can work on the Firestorm and focus on it being a bomber killer and for go dog fighting ability for speed and armour.

We only have one Aeronautics team though. The results may not be as good as they could be.

[3_14159]

I have - mostly - finished the stocks list for this year. I'm still waiting to hear back from Asea about a few issues. In the meantime, these are the preliminary 1936/1 industry assignments, production figures and stocks:

Spoiler: Industry Assignments (click to show/hide)

TURN 8: 1936.0
Industry assignments:
   Large Workshop
      Large Workshop/0 (None): AATSM1933 HiLo (4 per round)
      Large Workshop/1 (None): M1932 40mmAAA Cannon (10 per round)
   Factory G1
      Factory G1/0 (None): G-H-M1935 (4 per round)
      Factory G1/1 (None): C-V-45-M1935 ammo (1 per round)
      Factory G1/2 (None): ATHM1933 (6 per round)
   Factory G2
      Factory G2/0 (None): EAM M1932 (50 per round)
      Factory G2/1 (None): C-V-45-M1935 (20 per round)
      Factory G2/2 (None): EAM M1932 ammo (1 per round)
   Factory V1
      Factory V1/0 (vehicle): SDE M1933 (30.0 per round)
      Factory V1/1 (vehicle): SDE M1933 (30.0 per round)
   Factory M1
      Factory M1/0 (ammo): T18 M1934 (30.0 per round)
      Factory M1/1 (ammo): CA-AAA-M1935 ammo (1.5 per round)
   Factory M2
      Factory M2/0 (ammo): 7.62x54mm ammo (3.0 per round)
      Factory M2/1 (ammo): 40mm ammo (1.5 per round)
   Factory M3
      Factory M3/0 (ammo): 7.62x54mm ammo (3.0 per round)
      Factory M3/1 (ammo): ATHM1933 ammo (1.5 per round)
   Factory M4
      Factory M4/0 (ammo): AATSM1933 HiLo ammo (1.5 per round)
      Factory M4/1 (ammo): .45 ACP ammo (1.5 per round)
   Factory SA1
      Factory SA1/0 (small-arms): SM1911/34 (300.0 per round)
      Factory SA1/1 (small-arms): SM1911/34 (300.0 per round)
      Factory SA1/2 (small-arms): MM1934 (225.0 per round)
      Factory SA1/3 (small-arms): SMM1934 Double (300.0 per round)
      Factory SA1/4 (small-arms): MM1927 (30.0 per round)
      Factory SA1/5 (small-arms): RM1891 (300.0 per round)
      Factory SA1/6 (small-arms): RM1891 (300.0 per round)
      Factory SA1/7 (small-arms): RM1891 (300.0 per round)
   Factory N1
      Factory N1/0 (ship): Shockwave (4.5 per round)
      Factory N1/1 (ship): CDV M1933 (6.0 per round)
   Factory A1
      Factory A1/0 (plane): HGAA M1934 Baklan (6.0 per round)
      Factory A1/1 (plane): HGAA M1934 Baklan (6.0 per round)
   Factory AM1
      Factory AM1/0 (engine): AEM 1933 Hurricane (30.0 per round)
      Factory AM1/1 (engine): AEM 1933 Hurricane (30.0 per round)
   Factory G3
      Factory G3/0 (None): SH M1935 (500 per round)
      Factory G3/1 (None): SH M1935 (500 per round)
   Factory V2
      Factory V2/0 (vehicle): POAC-L (30.0 per round)
      Factory V2/1 (vehicle): POAC-H (15.0 per round)
   Factory LA1
      Factory LA1/0 (artillery): AATSM1933 HiLo (6.0 per round)
      Factory LA1/1 (artillery): CA-AAA-M1935 (18.75 per round)
   Factory M5
      Factory M5/0 (ammo): retool
      Factory M5/1 (ammo): retool
   Factory M6
      Factory M6/0 (ammo): retool
      Factory M6/1 (ammo): retool
   Factory E1
      Factory E1/0 (electronics): retool
      Factory E1/1 (electronics): retool

Spoiler: Industry production: (click to show/hide)

Industry production:
AEM 1933 Hurricane: 18.0
ATHM1933: -3.0
C-V-45-M1935 ammo: 1
SH M1935: 1000
ATHM1933 ammo: 1.5
AATSM1933 HiLo: 10.0
AATSM1933 HiLo ammo: 1.5
EAM M1932 ammo: 1
SMM1934 Double: 300.0
MM1934: 165.0
7.62x54mm ammo: 6.0
M1932 40mmAAA Cannon: -5.0
40mm ammo: 1.5
.45 ACP ammo: 1.5
MM1927: 30.0
HGAA M1934 Baklan: 12.0
EAM M1932: 50
T18 M1934: 30.0
Shockwave: 4.5
C-V-45-M1935: 5.0
CA-AAA-M1935: 18.75
CDV M1933: 6.0
SDE M1933: -30.0
SM1911/34: 600.0
POAC-H: 15.0
POAC-L: 30.0
CA-AAA-M1935 ammo: 1.5
MM1911: -150.0
G-H-M1935: 4
RM1891: 900.0


Shortfalls
ATHM1933: -3.0
M1932 40mmAAA Cannon: -5.0
SDE M1933: -30.0
MM1911: -150.0

Spoiler: Stocks (click to show/hide)

Stocks:
7.62x54mm ammo: 40
RM1891: 29900
SM1895: 1750
7.62x38mm ammo: 2
Karp-class submarine: 1
MM1911: 0
T-18 engine: 0
T-18 gun: 0
T-18 light tank: 6
Ofery-class destroyer: 1
M1932 40mmAAA Cannon: -15
AEM M1932: -12
EAM M1932 ammo: 6
EAM M1932: 300
40mm ammo: 6
CDV M1933: 8
SDE M1933: 94
Ray Class HSCS: 1
AATSM1933 HiLo: 20
AATSM1933 HiLo ammo: 6
ATHM1933: -3
AEM 1933 Hurricane: 54
Skate Class HSCS: 1
ATHM1933 ammo: 6
.45 ACP ammo: 10
MM1902: 10000
MM1927: 1950
HGAA M1934 Baklan: 36
T18 M1934: 120
Shockwave: 13
SMM1934 Double: 1200
MM1934: 1440
SM1911/34: 2400
C-V-45-M1935 ammo: 1
SH M1935: 1000
POAC-L: 30
C-V-45-M1935: 5
POAC-H: 15
Bychok: 2
CA-AAA-M1935: -1
CA-AAA-M1935 ammo: 1
G-H-M1935: 4


Shortfalls
M1932 40mmAAA Cannon: -15
AEM M1932: -12
ATHM1933: -3
CA-AAA-M1935: -1

Again, those are preliminary (I can virtually guarantee that I've missed some bugs).


However, going from these, we have the following:
- Probably enough Mosin-Nagants (27000)
- Many machine guns (10000 MM1902s) which I'll use for other production once the Lewis Gun runs out
- We are not producing enough ATHM1933 (for the Shockwave craft) and MM1911 (for planes, Shockwave etc). We still have stocks of the latter, and we have 10,000 of other LMGs, so that should be enough.
- We are going to need another production line for 40mm AAA guns, for the Shockwaves and Bychoks (if we continue to build the latter)
- We are going to need AEM M1932 naval engines; one production line will produce 15; i.e. one should be enough.
- We are going to need another line for the POAC engines (remember, each requires two of them)
 
Our Land Forces consist of:
- 30 POAC-Ls (some lacking engines), 15 POAC-Hs, 6 T-18s
- 300 EAM mortars, 27000 Mosin Nagants, >10000 LMGs
- 1320 MMGs, 1200 SMM1934 Double SMGs, 1200 SM1911/34 pistols, 1750 SM1895

Our Air Force consists of:
- 18 Dive Bombers

Our Navy consists of:
- 1 Karp Submarine, 1 Ray class (plus production of one turn)/1 Skate class submarine
- 13 Shockwave attack craft, 8 CDV 1933 coastal defense vessels
- 1 Ofery class destroyer, 2 Bychok-class destroyers (lacking engines, 40mm AAA cannons, and one lacking a 20mm AAA gun)

[Funk]

We only have one Aeronautics team though. The results may not be as good as they could be.

Then lets split up the work, have the Aeronautics team work on the Firestorm Design this turn and next turn with more experience they can overhaul the  I-C-M1936.

Can we reqest some more Aeronautic engineers?

[3_14159]

So, looking at the stocks and coleslaw's assigned plan for a bit (which is really nice, by the way; and if we can use any LMG instead of the Lewis, I'd go with it), I have the following proposals:

Spoiler: D5 Frigate (click to show/hide)

Mass-produceable frigate. Mounts a D4 radar and a hydrophone (plus radio, of course), two of the destroyer's HiLo turrets, four 40mm AAA pieces, and ten 20mm AAA guns. Leave space for an anti-sub rocket projector. Aim for a mass of about 1500t. Uses our AEM M1932 motor for propulsion, with a target speed of about 24 knots (using four motors, probably).

And, meshing with that,
C5: Naval drydock factory
A factory for mass-producing D5 Frigates. Includes a drydock large enough for it, and a linked factory.


Now, I'm wondering what we should do with the teams. We have an electronics team (radar), a naval team (frigate), an aeronautics team (work on either a new fighter or on improving the old one), one gun and one materials team.

I have two ideas for the gun team. One'd be a bigger artillery piece than our mortar; the other would be improving the 20mm aircraft gun. The materials team can probably work on the splinter vest should we design that; or on anti-sub rockets.

Spoiler: D6: Anti-Submarine Rocket Projector (click to show/hide)

An anti-submarine rocket system.
The complete system consists of a launcher base mounting 24 rockets on guidance rails. On firing command, these rockets are fired automatically in a ripple, landing on a fixed point, with a fixed scatter, about 200-300 meters in front of the firing vessel.
Each rocket consists of a propulsion unit, a warhead of 15-20kg and a detonator. This detonator is armed after firing when heading through the ocean surface, and detonates on contact.

Yes, this is basically a rocket-based hedgehog system.

I'm still looking for the best way to improve the Hurricane. We could try improving the engine, decrease the armour and (very important, in my opinion) tell them to add belts to the guns. But I don't know how to do this optimally.
Generally speaking, I have a preference of improving the design before building a new one, simply because we'd only have a choice between building new factories or discontinue building one of our then-three plane designs.

We only have one Aeronautics team though. The results may not be as good as they could be.

Then lets split up the work, have the Aeronautics team work on the Firestorm Design this turn and next turn with more experience they can overhaul the  I-C-M1936.

Can we reqest some more Aeronautic engineers?

I believe Aseaheru told us that there's no more untapped, trained engineering personnel on our island, and we'd need to recruit from out of country, which is very difficult.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Designs
D1 Fire storm interceptor
D2 Splinter Vest
D3.1 Minor redesign of the POAC
D3.2 Minor redesign and variants of the POAC
D4 RADAR system
D5 Frigate
D6 Anti-Submarine Rocket Projector

Construct

C1: Place 40mm AA and HiLo guns in and around our industrial complex in the event of an airborne attack.
C2: One two-Line Munitions Factory
C3: One two-line Large Arms Factory
   C3.1: Two two-line Large Arms Factories
C4: Radar stations
C5: Naval Dry-dock factory complex

Acquire

A1: Acquire sea mines for development of our own.

Other

F1: Coleslaw's factory plan

[coleslaw35]

Oh that's right, we've been putting Lewis MGs on our earlier boats and planes.

We need to refit our current designs to use M-1s instead, which really doesn't sound like it'd be too hard.

[Funk]

Oh that's right, we've been putting Lewis MGs on our earlier boats and planes.

We need to refit our current designs to use M-1s instead, which really doesn't sound like it'd be too hard.

That can't be to hard can it?

I'm still looking for the best way to improve the Hurricane. We could try improving the engine, decrease the armour and (very important, in my opinion) tell them to add belts to the guns. But I don't know how to do this optimally.
Generally speaking, I have a preference of improving the design before building a new one, simply because we'd only have a choice between building new factories or discontinue building one of our then-three plane designs.

The Hurricane is the engine, the I-C-M1936 is the plane.

To improve the engine we could:

Redesign the engine's air intake to fit a two-stage supercharger, improve efficiency and saving engine power.

Add better cooling, some big air-to-liquid intercoolers should cool down the intake air.
Still this will add weight and drag.

Add nitrous oxide or methanol-water injection
Add turbochargers and make the engine twincharged