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[Orange Wizard]

Donkey being a language joke in that ass != arse.

AlleeCat accused most of us of talking out of our arses/asses. I want to know who they think is actually being reasonable.

[4maskwolf]

Donkey being a language joke in that ass != arse.

AlleeCat accused most of us of talking out of our arses/asses. I want to know who they think is actually being reasonable.

I know what it meant, I was just wondering how you defined it lolz.

[Bauglir]

Ask me whatever the hell you like, provided you've got an open mind to the answer. I'd really just like to be seen, and heard.

Right, okay - do you have a preferred pronoun? If not, I'll alternate, unless you'd prefer that I not.

Reading a different thread has actually answered this exact question, because coincidences are nothing if not coincidental. It pays to range over a wide stretch of forum, apparently!

[AlleeCat]

I think Vector is qualified to speak about gender, having experience problems with gender identity themselves, to give an example.

[4maskwolf]

I think Vector is qualified to speak about gender, having experience problems with gender identity themselves, to give an example.

I see.  And so nobody else is allowed to give their own personal opinion unless they have some form of difference from the mainstream?

So what about me?  I'm closer to stereotypical girl than stereotypical guy when it comes to gender roles and behavior (without the gossiping that is "stereotypical" here), and while I didn't share in my post I do get mocked for it, I'm just enough of a social pariah already it's not as bad as it could be.

What you're basically saying is that anyone who isn't within the realm of different isn't allowed to speak.  That's like saying men aren't allowed to be feminists or the the Christian majority isn't allowed to talk about their faith in religious discussion threads.

[Willfor]

Will everyone kindly stop misreading what AlleeCat is saying. This is fucking embarrassing to watch.

[4maskwolf]

Will everyone kindly stop misreading what AlleeCat is saying. This is fucking embarrassing to watch.

I know what the essence of what she's saying is, I'm pushing her because it isn't a dialog if the people who aren't the minority can't talk about thier views.

[TD1]

Yes, because when I say almost everyone, I just mean everyone. Good job with that.

Or, more to the point, it doesn't apply to you or anyone who agrees with you fully.

As for "you must have experience in order to speak of something"it is utterly preposterous. If you haven't had an abortion you aren't allowed to speak of it? Experience does not lead to sole right to speech. You can't exclude people merely because you don't think them qualified to speak to you. I'm not a politician,  so I can't speak of politics?

Will everyone kindly stop misreading what AlleeCat is saying. This is fucking embarrassing to watch.

It might help if you explained it to the peasants.

[Willfor]

Can you please explain to me why you decided that I am trying to talk down to you?

E: somehow broke the quote and can't fix it.

[4maskwolf]

Alright everyone, cool your jets.

Remember, peaceful discussion.  That means everyone, including me.

[Willfor]

Will everyone kindly stop misreading what AlleeCat is saying. This is fucking embarrassing to watch.

I know what the essence of what she's saying is, I'm pushing her because it isn't a dialog if the people who aren't the minority can't talk about thier views.

This hasn't been a dialog. This has been a bunch of people saying what their opinion on what genders are. There's been a lot of people trying to erase the existence of anyone who isn't the majority, and some have been trying to present their own views as science. AlleeCat, as one in the minority, is really frustrated that there are so many voices so quick to say that she shouldn't exist, that she doesn't exist. I don't really blame her. And then when she voices her opinion, she's given a tone argument for her troubles, and people push at her to make her feel uncomfortable for being angry about the fact that her whole life is being relegated to the garbage heap in so many people's minds.

So basically, have some empathy maybe?

[Vector]

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[TD1]

Regardless of who deserves empathy, I refuse to cow tow to someone saying I'm speaking shit.

Full stop. Perhaps this makes me sound petty or insensitive, but that's just how it is. If Allee wants rational discourse, she needs must be reasonable.

[misko27]

Plain speaking and clear understanding everyone.

Will everyone kindly stop misreading what AlleeCat is saying. This is fucking embarrassing to watch.

Let me see what it is that has caused the issue then. I haven't, actually.

I want to reiterate this. This thread is seriously the equivalent of a bunch of white people trying to talk about black oppression. (Which I'm pretty sure also happened on this very forum.) This thread just needs to stop. You can't talk about gender issues like you know everything about them if you've never experienced them. I would be open to a thread where questions can be asked of trans people, but it's clear that pretty much everyone in this thread is talking out their ass.

I can see the issue here. It does seem an awful lot like you are trying to imply that certain other people's opinion doesn't matter, or rather that they lack the grounds on which to speak. Now, speaking for most people (and please, correct me if you don't agree), people don't like when someone makes that implication, and they've made several arguments against it.

I'm pushing her because it isn't a dialog if the people who aren't the minority can't talk about thier views.

This seems to me a good argument.

This hasn't been a dialog. This has been a bunch of people saying what their opinion on what genders are. There's been a lot of people trying to erase the existence of anyone who isn't the majority, and some have been trying to present their own views as science. AlleeCat, as one in the minority, is really frustrated that there are so many voices so quick to say that she shouldn't exist, that she doesn't exist. I don't really blame her. And then when she voices her opinion, she's given a tone argument for her troubles, and people push at her to make her feel uncomfortable for being angry about the fact that her whole life is being relegated to the garbage heap in so many people's minds.

Also a good argument. One that is not irreconcilable with the previous argument.

I think Vector had a thoughtful response. I'd like to remind everyone not to say whatever they damn well please, which goes for both sides.

[Redzephyr01]

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