ZU, who do you think the likely scum teams are, then? If Scripten flipped town, why would that make him any more likely to be correct in his suspicions?
See below. It wouldn't and I don't think I said so otherwise.
Lame. These are all super weak, except for the 'parking your vote' thing which would be pretty condemning if it wasn't a complete lie. You didn't notice me pushing for his vote n stuff? It wasn't a useless vote- I kept it there, and I kept my attention there too.
I didn't notice you doing anything else important D2.
In the one situation that Enchanter makes a difference in vote count, everyone now knows there's an enchanter. In that sense, its effects are pretty visible, yeah? Do note: I was talking about enchanter as a role.
That's not very visible at all because it happens so rarely. Also many other roles are more visible such as psychic warden, vig, etc that all have concrete results that can be proven/disproven.
And what will this evidence be...?
Someone will die.
Which would be evidence that Jim is the scum because...?
In the given scenario Jim would be the one doing the killing.
Toaster hasn't really been here all day but its probably because he's busy IRL. Toaster and Tiruin suspected Scripten yesterday but Toaster's voting Tiruin today.
What do you think of what Toaster did yesterday in comparison to today's change in opinion? Does it feel like a natural progression of his Tiruin read?
Maybe I don't know. I think his reasoning on voting Tiruin is mostly based on logic.
If Scripten is town, then the dopps won't target him anyways.
Unless you block me in the night, which would be a pretty viable reason to disagree with Jim's plan, if I'm not mistaken.
If you are town and war vet, there is literally no reason to kill you. Your role doesn't provide the town with any information at night.
Why is this so? Please list the logic behind each of these associative reads. If I'm town, why would Shakerag, Cheeetar, or Toaster be more likely to be scum? Does my eventual townflip cement a scumread in Tiruin enough for you?
People who probably aren't scum:
UXLZ - seems to be accurately transcribing NQT's things from deadchat. If he were scum he could simply just say NQT hasn't posted anything and no one would know any better.
Jim - don't think he would mention the mastahcheese protecting dopp killer if he was scum, even if the theory is totally wrong.
Persus - confided in UXLZ and Deus, both of which I think are town, so I don't think scum would do something like that. Also he claimed heroic guard which is weaker than observant guard, so scum could have assigned him to do the kill instead of mastahcheese. I suppose he could actually be a vengeful guard, but I don't think so. He also said in a PM his role was 'useless' which I can see why he would say that.
Deus - probably town for protecting Pisskop.
This leaves Shakerag, Tiruin, Scripten, Cheeetar, Toaster
Cheeetar and Toaster can't both be scum and enchanters otherwise they would already control the majority vote. Unless one of them is lying about being an enchanter, which I don't think is likely.
Tiruin and Scripten probably aren't on the same team since they've been going at it today.
Thus the only possible teams are
Shakerag, Tiruin/Scripten, Cheeetar/Toaster.
After all, I'm a war vet. I don't have any powers other than my vanilla mafia skills. If you think my logic as essentially vanilla town is this solid, why would you want me to flip and be dead and unable to continue scumhunting? If you think my logic is scum-sided, then why would my townflip verify my reads any more than another basically vanilla townie that you otherwise disagree with?
I don't know what you're saying here.
If Scripten is scum, we lynched scum.
Then its probably Shakerag and probably Cheeetar or Toaster.
So... my flip basically does nothing but show whether Tiruin is scum or not? You don't have any differences in your associative reads here.
Yeah I guess.
This would free up both guards to do some guarding, in which they should PM each other to coordinate their actions so they don't both guard the same person.
Also frees you up to block me in the night so that the scum can stab me, like I said above. Not particularly thrilled about that, as I'm sure you can imagine.
The scum team has no incentive to kill you over someone like Jim or me.