PPE:
Alright. I'll make you a deal. I'll step back and start working on other players for a bit, since I don't want to tunnel you. You go ahead and fix those reads. Interact with the rest of the playerbase. It's the weekend, but I think there's another extension.
I still think you're scum, but I have no intention of making my expectations unreasonable. Consider this a chance to show your town motivation.
._.
Now we look like battle buddying each other, if that's a term.
Woohoo, redemption! ... Um, please don't scrutinize this tiny bit of text for deeper stuff. I'm just happy...ish that my stress didn't kill anyone.
I don't like stress hurting people D: Which I just did!Anyway, net dies for quite a day (plus weekend busyness), and I've resolved to get my intuitive nudge fixed.
Addendum:
> Scripten in a cross-comparison maneuver has a
tie-in with mastahcheese; considering proceeding posts thereafter, the notion of 'I can sense a problem in you if I was town and I'd pick on it if I was you, t'would be good for distancing' if both were scum is dissolved more in the stew of analysis.
However I'm wary on his roleclaim. The War Vet is a Paranormal conversion of the
Paranoid Gun Owner (ie SHOOT EVERYTHING except the guard guarding me or anyone not in 'my personal space', because they're just standing there and not violating my restraining order [or as far as I know, the War Vet doesn't shoot guards guarding them])--its pretty much a safe fakeclaim for any scum (ie Alien with Tech/Psychic shielding) as it deters any would-be vigs, and relies on the Day-game to scumhunt out. Sans tech, it'd be a nice way for the dopps to wiggle in the massclaim due to...evidently no proof at all for anyone (sans those who'd be brave enough to test + being guarded). That, and on a scumteam--they can coordinate.
As an aside, I've a...very distinct feeling that there are 2 people in correspondence on the scumteam on the roles (ie there may have been fakery, which would be designed to synergize with each other/the rest of the claimed roles) in which is brought up below.
Mephansteras: If a War Vet is Psychic Warden'd (chained), and attacked or visited during the night--do they still kill the actor/visitor/killer?> @DA: On the thing about pisskop, its his D2 posts which convinced me otherwise (and as a general bad reaction towards him being lynched due to a myriad number of reasons which
somehow aren't investigated) I can show posts which convinced me pisskop wasn't RiA'ing scum (as how I felt his attitude was for the game until then...ie in the many duels he had with Jim Groovester.) if you're curious, or any other variant of him being scum solely due to how he made his mid-end D2 pos
Part 1Cheetar
Jim Groovester
Persus13
Shakerag
Deus Asmoth
zombie urist//Deathsword
Toaster
UXLZ -- Leaning Town.
Scripten -- Leaning Town.
Tiruin -- I still think me being lynched because of activity is a really poor reason in this situation. Though, seeing the deeper reason, it is...reasonable when I look back at all my posts.
Though incomparable to the shame I've got on myself. The prospect of the lynch can't dissuade that.
Starting from the top.
Cheeetar> Other than how he played his D1 game, there came about
something that upsets the PM mechanic. The # of recipients towards information would be the best way to counteract against scum, especially given the full random-role preset.
> His duality (noting himself if seen as scum, and as if town, in correcting others) and keenness in posting brings out a good point in him.
> He was the only other person who PM'd me after NQT--he's the one I had been talking to in PMs (I've never started my own, other than the N1 Mass PM). This is a significant note because I've been able to gauge how he acts through a seemingly one-on-one conversation (...given that the BCC mechanic isn't given detail in the OP). Given many instances of
astuteness in his play, and the tone in which it comes off that he's thinking not from a group mind (ref: Duality) brings me to push him aside in the greener pasture.
I haven't collected any pertinent links due to...how evident it is, while looking back (IMO). The vote pattern indicates a wide range of people being targeted (with some being lead-up votes, understandably given), and the rationality present in contradicting opposing ideas (mainly D1/2 pisskop and the events that happened then) adds to that point.
His voting is...say, erratic; his vote jumps to people at a near/slight note of suspicion, and while it could be used as pressure given how his ability of wording implies conviction, comparing that idea to 'vote for presumption' seems a ton less, given how he goes through with it. That's to include his attitude. In corresponding PMs with him, I've picked a...sort of jumpy-reactive personality, though not one that oft concludes before anything else.
Cross-comparison on Cheeetar would indicate no noticeable connection or constant communication with other people--sans me even knowing what or how his PMs were done and performed.
Conclusion: Town (most likely).
...If I had a Mohs Scale of hardness, you'd be Quartz (7), due to hardness in me seeing your position as scummy, and at the same level also being very well level-headed throughout, given the content and working with the content.
Oh, and all his questions on generally pretty much any capability of most roles--sans asking about the Exterminator, anyway.
I'm curious as to why you PM'd me first, though. Looked like you were in deep contact with NQT there.
PPE:
Lookit' them Posts. Also hi Meph!
...Huh.
Cheeetar, I'm very curious as to your reads on the rest--especially on ZU, UXLZ and Scripten. In part on ZU, due to his behavior. What do you make of how his voting pattern (+ intent/motive to vote) goes?
Jim Groovester> Not much found thus far, either in cross-correlation analysis or pattern poking. There's a comparative lessening of aggressiveness, though it is replaced by assertiveness in his posts, and he's cut down on the mean icing a lot.
> Can't really detect many things thus far, though the bulk of my queries lie in the D2.
For me, Jim is usually like Mr. T. Or at least as far I know about Mr. T equaling 'from hearsay from hearsay', meaning that I never saw that show, but I think its really good!
He specializes in sarcasm, but the point is always in the essence of his words. He's a person who balances out reasoning with common sense, and is thus--for me--a very hard person to piece together as town or scum (at the same level of Toaster).
...I'm unsure if I'm biased towards or against him, due to him and Toaster being my mentor(s) in my first ever BM, but a case study on each of their playstyle indicates a very deep level of reason and analytical logic.
An entry post on insight of Dopps and Paranormal Games
Shakerag> I am...unsure about him. Honestly, the first interaction with him was through a PM. Throughout this game, there's been a level of absence akin to Toaster, and in his posts they've been...a bit deeper than is expected of someone busy throughout the lifespan of this game. Towards his posts, I work on feeling, though unsure if this is intuition speaking. He doesn't seem like scum, honestly.
> He claimed HUMAN MIL. SCIENTIST (with the full aforementioned power) early in a day wherein the timing would be...quite essential. Not too long or not too late, though I do feel like there's a PM game holding out the other side of him here. Either way, he's neutral.
Anyway, have a PM.
Tiiiiiiiiiiiiirrrr~
Let's team up.
@_@
Sure?
But can I have a hug first? :O I like Mr. GrumpyShakerag as a partner (but well-meaning)
Wherein this left me with an annoying curiosity as to why this was asked--and further more on why I did not receive a hug!
In context of the game, it did paint a target sign on Shakerag with the appended note of 'Watch for connections, or the usual ShakeragHumor'.
Shakerag is...usually the sort of comedic, grumpy 'old man stereotype' that I love. This is a problem because my usual style of attitude-analysis goes awry when checking Shakerag; the usual conventional scumtells such as 'somewhat flippant posting' and being silly don't apply. Though what I've noticed in predominantly all his games are his attitude of a double-meaning {exhibited by adding a question, not necessarily ending with a '?' at the end of an answer, usually at RVS stage, which prompts thought and works well for...'testing the waters'(?) and analysis of the asker's attitude}
On that note,
Shakerag: Did your...Valentine's wish have any relation with...now? As in February ~14? TO any choice whatsoever?
What's the seeming benefit of the Tracking Device Scientist over the Snooper bot? Given how lame you saw the others, there must be a good reason that topped the latter. Utility? Fashion? Technological appeal?
Persus13> Acts with a near parallel amount of insight akin to Cheeetar, competing for the top echelon of 'who is town in Tiruin's eyes!' rank! Especially regarding how D2 was considered--as well as how D1 was considered; herein I put forward the assumption of the scum mindset, on how one would 'play the middleman' or the mediator in an otherwise conflicting situation: it doesn't click, primarily due to
how the wordplay was offered.
> He can be scum doing the fair judge ploy? Fine, that's a reasonable idea to put up on the drawing board, but is it plausible? A vote pattern analysis doesn't depict a straightforward answer, but a rather pointedly...scattered answer showing a level of precision in his work, as well as a cross-relational check. His attitude is going straight-fine too, however I still carry a fear that this game is going
too well. --{
Expounding//NQT-POKE}Under the ideology that this
seriously can't be how the game will be won. Scum can't all be lurkers or the inactive people. Neither does it seem to be a 2/3rds note (ie pointing in me, Toaster, Shakerag...) given the opportunity of D1/2; though in D2, I've to argue the...precociousness of NQT's vibe towards pisskop.
...
Can you really argue RiA correctly like that and have it unchallenged? Nobody spoke against it, and I could understand how reasonable it was at that time (I use 'at that time' to...respect DA's bias) but
it was not brought up or questioned at all. I'm challenging you in death here. That's a really...flimsy kind of maneuver in squaring off against a playstyle which 'seems unconventional'; despite his attitude, he's shown a good level of keen situational awareness--and while he's not the...most eloquent or graceful speaker, the
essence of his posts show the town-spirit.
And that's the Telepath speaking.Yeah. The concept of RiA is...to me, a fairly inundated one. An excuse brought upon those who balk at the audacity of the action--and one borne of underlying assumption. See Sun Tzu's art of war--very clear examples show unexpected maneuvers working
due to reputation or how interpretations occur; in a neutral viewpoint, or in search of the meaning
within their words, their plans would fail, but that didn't go as planned at many times (as a vague example anyway. Just using analogy to POKE AT RIA.)
Deus Asmoth
> Seriously picking up the neophyte conditioned bias there. You should judge every game as anew, with each person's behavior as a unique experience; metaknowledge
is a guide, but is not conclusive of their behavior as expected--therein lies the FALLACY OF CONDITIONING AND A CLOSED MIND.> Am unsure how to judge his reasoning. In part, its off in many areas. In part, its off in a way that doesn't necessarily poke scummy, though conventionally it could be regarded as scummy--though this may be just me being too influenced due to being a mediator of many sorts this year and all...
Still, looking back...there's a lot lacking.
DA: If I had been more active, how would that affect your reads and your placement of vote?I'm voting Tiruin because she's spent most of the game at this point stalling with promises of a big post. She voted for Scripten during day two, but only gave her reasons for doing so today and after he voted for her she voted for him and continued barely interacting with anyone else. Her reads have been almost entirely neutral, even the ones in her big post, and I just didn't like her claim of having a town read on Pisskop after saying nothing about him during day 2.
Yeah, its like you didn't read my posts -_-
Could you give an in-depth analysis of how you took my vote and redaction of said vote later on? What do you think I was thinking?
zombie urist//Deathsword>
Let's bring up a change of pace; recentmost posts here as a start. 'Only possible' teams? That's a ping on my note on your attitude being either an extreme form of your town-thought, or your subtle act of being scum in the area of your wordplay: You judge, but lack the details as to why this is
extremely reasonable that it be worded as a conclusion instead of an opinion. --This is tempered by your play the whole game, anyway. There has been in part, mistakes on understanding roles and situations where these roles lead to inaccuracies in interpretation...but this? This
really piques my curiosity.
Checking the cross-matching.
Maybe I don't know. I think his reasoning on voting Tiruin is mostly based on logic.
Logic how? How does this kind of attitude make me SCUM rather than TOWN? Only under the assumption that I don't care? Expound on that more on
why that makes me scum, please.
If you are town and war vet, there is literally no reason to kill you. Your role doesn't provide the town with any information at night.
And...you're somehow rationalizing this at face-value? Repeating what I said before--the War Vet is a really nice fakeclaim, for town OR scum due to its power to provoke the bold, in the most superficial sense, and played right (I recall Dariush did this before? That was awesome play...but I forgot where), it becomes a weapon of good potential that only psychics can intrude in.
What concerns me here is your wording. The 'literally no reason to kill you' doesn't...really seem right in my Semantics Department, given the context in which it is spoken. I typed all this from offline so I can't quote the two quotes of Scripten and yours where its under.
Connected:
The scum team has no incentive to kill you over someone like Jim or me.
And this speaks of mindreading. Well, giving the possibility of this kind of rationality from their perspective, yeah, I've realized that; but why do you think everything is honest here?
Do you think the scumteam fakeclaimed their roles?
Do you think anyone from the Town fakeclaimed their roles?
People who probably aren't scum:
This lacks on why some people are 'probably townier' than those you've ranked as 'probably scum'. Like Deus' case. How is he 'probably town for protecting Pisskop'--and what
really makes him seem town if he's scum in that scenario?
Toaster
> ...I really didn't read him up well, but I'm really unsure as to why his vote is placed like that--seemingly, maybe, due to lacking looking in others and placing it on the most hotly disputed claim at the time being?
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