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[Baffler]

Those places aren't the only places that can produce marijuana though. Anyone can pay for a license to possess, produce, share, and cultivate 8 ounces and no more than 4 flowering plants at a time. Now I would know anything about such matters directly, but I understand that the growth and curing process takes 12-15 weeks, depending on growing conditions, the variety grown, and the content of the leaves. Half a pound of reasonable quality product will last most people 12-15 weeks. Sure some people smoke 1/8 ounce every day, but even then they won't have to cut back that much. And if they smoke that much already, I can pretty much guarantee that they either already have plant(s) and the knowledge to prepare them, or know someone who can give them plant(s) and the knowledge to prepare them.

tl;dr: I foresee this mostly just legitimizing what already exists.

[Cthulhu]

Yeah, but you can't sell it.  The only people with the power to actually industrially produce and wholesell marijuana are the ten facilities.

The answer I heard for the ten is that the monopoly expires after five years and adjustments to create independent grow-ops can be made.  If that's the case, I sort of get it.  Suddenly legalizing something like weed has a lot of room to go really wrong if the right regulations aren't in place.

[mainiac]

The answer I heard for the ten is that the monopoly expires after five years and adjustments to create independent grow-ops can be made.  If that's the case, I sort of get it.  Suddenly legalizing something like weed has a lot of room to go really wrong if the right regulations aren't in place.

Well none of the other states had "the right regulations", so what were the problems with them that Ohio is avoiding by creating a cartel?

[Baffler]

What is your definition of cartel? There are 10 completely independent production facilities created by the initiative that are governed by laws against trusts and collusion. They're also forbidden from having any vertical integration.

[Lord Shonus]

Wont the courts prevent the government from abusing 2?  I mean it seems to me like 2 has really obvious logic to it, 3 is a horrible, no good very bad precedent to set.  You lobby the government to give you a cartel and enforce your cartel with the police, then profit handsomely off it.  I'm 110% behind the idea of the government breaking up such cartels.

Not in the least. The danger is that, suddenly, there are doubled costs for anything like, for example, overturning a union-busting law that was shoved through a lame-duck congress by extremists (as unions qualify as a "monopoly, oligopoly, or cartel
for their exclusive financial benefit or to establish a preferential tax status."), repealing the gay marriage ban (as married gays have tax benefits not applicable to unmarried people), or creating a new regulatory commission for industries that people want to be assured will be heavily limited (such as industrial marijuana growth or the casinos we authorized in 2010, in both cases the monopoly status was to assuage fears that there'd be a casino/growth site everywhere.) The bill also states that no court except the Ohio Supreme Court has any say in what happens, which is an extremely high bar to clear.

Fears of the precise manner that legalization might take are valid reasons not to vote for issue 3. They are not an excuse for gutting the ability for Ohioans to directly change the law.

[mainiac]

These are the reasons why the judicial branch is independent, yes.

[smjjames]

My favorite condition was "candidates are not allowed to address each other."

They might as well just drop the pretense that this is a debate. The RNC wants a marketing platform under their control, little else. And sadly I'm guessing the networks will go for it since, to them, at the end of the day it's all ad revenue anyways.

Oh well. I stopped watching the debates years ago.

Where did you hear that? I didn't see that in the link sluissa gave.

Also, did you guys hear about this? Glenn Beck is offering to host/moderate the Feb. 29th republican debate in place of NBC. lol!
http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2015/11/glenn-beck-offers-to-host-gop-debate-in-place-of-nbc-215453

[Lord Shonus]

These are the reasons why the judicial branch is independent, yes.

The only way the judicial branch will have any power to affect the authority granted by Issue 2 is if somebody goes through the vast expense of effort of organizing not one but two campaigns, fails, and then goes through the massive expense of taking litigation to a Supreme Court (because every lesser court is explicitly forbidden to interfere) that has much better things to do with their time than argue whether a tax law constitutes a monopoly because it affects the poor differently from the rich.

[mainiac]

that has much better things to do with their time than argue whether a tax law constitutes a monopoly because it affects the poor differently from the rich.

The Supreme Court has better things to do then decide constitutional cases where there is a flagrant breach of the law?  Your argument basically boils down to this will lead to a huge abuse of power but no one will give a shit later.

[smjjames]

Oh, I found that list thing on CNN's page.

"- Allow candidate-to-candidate questioning " Maybe this is what Nenjin was referring to? Not sure what that means exactly.

"- Show an empty podium after a break (describe how far away the bathrooms are) " I didn't see any of that, might be pre-emptive because Hillary almost had that problem.

Also: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/lawrence-lessig-drops-out-215443 Bummer......

[Lord Shonus]

that has much better things to do with their time than argue whether a tax law constitutes a monopoly because it affects the poor differently from the rich.

The Supreme Court has better things to do then decide constitutional cases where there is a flagrant breach of the law?  Your argument basically boils down to this will lead to a huge abuse of power but no one will give a shit later.

To put in a different terms, if you had to climb not one but two walls to get into work every morning, would you be any happier about it because you can call an overloaded hotline to complain that one of the walls was too high? This law places a massive barrier to entry for any citizen initiative that amends the Ohio Constitution (which almost anything worthwhile must), and the Supreme Court of Ohio can only be called in for nitpicky details - the very existence of this law is a huge abuse of power.

Moreover, do you really think that the Ohio Supreme Court is going to want to take time away from reevaluating the death penalty, reviewing police brutality claims, and ensuring that multi-million dollar lawsuits were fairly judged to spend hours debating the definiton of monopoly? There's been around 200 motions presented to the Ohio Supreme Court in the last 5 days, and two of those days were the weekend.

[mainiac]

Yes I do.

[Aklyon]

Its not sounding like the greatest idea to happen.

[redwallzyl]

Intresting article

[Flying Dice]

There was one comment over there that sparked a beautiful thought: We've just had eight years with a black president. If we have eight years with a Jewish soc-dem, maybe all the Stormfront types really will have strokes and die.