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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #5265 on: October 14, 2015, 07:09:15 pm »

I'm 100% sure Sanders never said that and I'm not sure what could be misinterpreted as what your mom thinks.
She likely heard something about free college, something about fighting discrimination, and put those through her knowledge that Sanders is (effectively) ideologically the opposite of Donald "We have stupid people" Trump.
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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #5266 on: October 14, 2015, 07:10:12 pm »

Plenty of transcripts are available online.
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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #5267 on: October 14, 2015, 07:18:57 pm »

Like here. And yeah, BFEL, yer madre was pulling that entirely from her arse, near as I can tell from skimming over the thing. Can check for yourself, though!
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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #5268 on: October 14, 2015, 07:25:40 pm »

I don't see anything that could possibly be interpreted as 'black people' in what Sanders said.

I also concur with what ShoesandHats said.
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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #5269 on: October 15, 2015, 09:44:54 am »

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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #5270 on: October 15, 2015, 09:51:20 am »

It's amazing people like that can still exist.  A birthday party?  There is a video for that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToKcmnrE5oY
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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #5271 on: October 15, 2015, 10:57:04 am »

Yeah, it's unfortunate people like that exist....

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/ben-carson-pauses-campaign-book-tour-214828
When was the last time a presidential candidate took a break just for a book tour? Because I certainly don't remember anybody doing that. Except maybe Palin, then again, she's done a lot of book tours.
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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #5272 on: October 15, 2015, 12:27:12 pm »

When was the last time a frontrunner was someone more interested in a few million dollars then being president?  Um... Huey Long?
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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #5273 on: October 15, 2015, 12:43:09 pm »

Caught a bit of our local NPR station interviewing John Hodgman, and he made an observation that rather succintly summed up the core problem in the US:

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"There's a problem in this country where we tell people that money doesn't buy you happiness, that you can be happy without wealth. But what it doesn't address is that wealth buys you stability. It buys you not having to spend most of your waking moments worrying about whether you're going to make your bills this month. And there are people who have a vested interest in keeping people out of that level of wealth, because people vote mostly out of fear."

The more I think about it, the more I think he's spot on. If most people weren't 1-2 paychecks away from financial disaster, they'd be more rational and more open to proposals like subsidized healthcare or free education or environmental regulations. But when you keep people that on edge abut their security, even the smallest fee or tax seems like the straw that will break the camel's back. Conversely, if you're so far down the totem pole that government programs are the only thing keeping you alive, you're going to fight tooth and nail against attempts to scale back or remove those programs.

And we've got this "poor but happy" narrative in American culture that serves to pacify and shame people for wanting a more equitable distribution of wealth by equating it to greed and envy. If you're poor and want to be rich, you're greedy. But if you're already rich, then you just "worked hard and had great ideas". You're a "job creator", someone to be admired and respected.

We've fundamentally forgotten that the American Dream, the Horatio Alger story, is "rags-to-riches", not "rags-to-happy to just have a job, and really who needs money anyhow when I have all these wonderful commercial products to distract me?"
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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #5274 on: October 15, 2015, 01:25:14 pm »

Horatio Alger is a horrible example of the American dream.  The lesson is that if you keep your head down and be obedient, one day a rich man will shower you with wealth.  If that's the American dream I'm changing my name to Treason McHater.

I think your neo-marxist take on the political economy is also pretty silly but damn if it isn't a popular one.
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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #5275 on: October 15, 2015, 01:35:26 pm »

Horatio Alger is a horrible example of the American dream.  The lesson is that if you keep your head down and be obedient, one day a rich man will shower you with wealth.  If that's the American dream I'm changing my name to Treason McHater.
Well, Mr McHater, is that not precisely what the entire boomer-era 'corporate ladder' narrative is all about?
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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #5276 on: October 15, 2015, 01:38:46 pm »

No?  Either you earn your own wealth or die in the gutter.
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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #5277 on: October 15, 2015, 01:51:40 pm »

I have said it before and I'll say it again, America deserves a better national anthem.
I'd like to suggest this.

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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #5278 on: October 15, 2015, 02:40:29 pm »

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Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« Reply #5279 on: October 15, 2015, 03:36:03 pm »

With the current division in congress, I'm not sure that they'd be able to agree on one.
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