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[Helgoland]

Heil Hilly?

[FearfulJesuit]

Usurpet Chafee nominationem.

[Helgoland]

May Chafee claim the nomination? My Latin's a bit rusty, I'm afraid.

[Descan]

Which will be held against him as him being a flip-flopper. Guarantee you that if he gets to any prominent position, that'll be a major point used against him.

[FearfulJesuit]

Which will be held against him as him being a flip-flopper. Guarantee you that if he gets to any prominent position, that'll be a major point used against him.

He's never really flip-flopped on positions, though. He's a relic of the old, sane, progressive Northeastern GOP, and basically got kicked out by Reaganites. I'll let XKCD speak:



See that thin light blue line on the right side of the spectrum? That's Chafee- member of a right-wing party, but center-left himself.

I don't expect the media or his former party comrades to grasp the nuance, though.

[Descan]

So you basically agree with what I said. I never said I'd hold it against him.

[Digital Hellhound]

Who's the red on the left side, though? They make a nice symmetry with Chafee.

[FearfulJesuit]

Who's the red on the left side, though? They make a nice symmetry with Chafee.

Looking at the DW-NOMINATE scores for the era, it appears to have been Zell Miller of Georgia, who declined to run for re-election in 2004 and backed Bush over Kerry.

Another interesting tidbit from the 2005-2006 DW-NOMINATE scores: George W. Bush was more conservative than every single member of the Senate, and now he'd be considered a RINO par excellence. That was only ten years ago, too. I'd like to believe the GOP could snap out of its idiocy and return to some semblance of normalcy in as short a timespan, but I'm not optimistic.

[misko27]

New Hampshire's GOP summit is over. The upshots are Christie isn't dead, Intervention NOW (where? everywhere), "Hillary Clinton is evil", and "Please no Jeb Bush".

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would say that your arguments only make sense at all for the very, very modern era. Rome for example, and everything the Roman Empire did, thumbs its nose at your entire theory. And how would the Mongols fit? Basically pre-industrial warfare, period. What about when civilians don't die (I'm thinking of a couple of feudal wars in particular)? Or, hell, when you just straight up win? What about colonialism? Seemed to be going pretty well.

I think you are making a claim about the situation of today, not war in general. You are also forgetting the rulers are not their countries, and things which benefit them do not necessarily benefit the country, and vice versa: conquering the world may not help the country, but it would sure make the conqueror, personally, very happy. And finally, your solution is so Utopian as to be irrelevant: if Leaders (nay, everyone) were all so capable of considering other people, they'd never be any issues at all, about anything.

[wierd]

Misko-


Rome, (and before that, with the assyrian basin, et al)--  Falls into #1, Resources that one wants, and the other does not want to provide. For rome, this was slaves, exotic new foods and craft goods, more soldiers to fuel the war machine, and increased tax base.   For the Assyrian basin, it was mostly increases in available arable farmland (and thus food), and #3, differences in ideology, fueled by world domination ambition. 

So no-- the ancient world still fits.

And yes-- the utopian goal was kinda intentional.  When you stop thinking about "Ra Ra Ra, OUR NATION! RA RA RA!" (and also the "ALL FOR ME! FUCK EVERYONE ELSE, I WANT IT ALL!") and start thinking more "You cant put a price on a good neighbor", the utopian benefits pop up all of themselves.

The problem is that people dont seem to want to operate in that mode of thought.

[smjjames]

Inb4 the republicans are so focused on fighting hillary that they don't even notice the runner ups until too late and by the time they do notice, all they have are hillary stuff and no dirt on the others.

Also: "The GOP base yearns for fresh faces." Would be nice if the Democratic base yearned for fresh faces as much as the GOP base does.

[Cthulhu]

Who even are the runners up?

Also I love the giant red arrow pointing right on Hilary's logo.

[mainiac]

"It's getting better, therefore it's not bad"?

Thank you for showing the way to completely misrepresent my meaning with the fewest words.

[FearfulJesuit]

New Hampshire's GOP summit is over. The upshots are Christie isn't dead, Intervention NOW (where? everywhere), "Hillary Clinton is evil", and "Please no Jeb Bush".

Texas Sen. Ted Cruz said he’d be a good debater head-to-head with Clinton, especially about income inequality.

Oh boy, I can't wait to hear this one.

[Bauglir]

"It's getting better, therefore it's not bad"?

Thank you for showing the way to completely misrepresent my meaning with the fewest words.

Okay, what was your actual meaning, then? I apologize for misunderstanding, but I'm no clearer to figuring out what you were trying to say.