(Changing my IC color to better accommodate everyone. Does this work?)Or an honest description of what I think might happen.
It's easily tested of course.
This is true. Keep in mind that I'm not just tearing your words apart to be mean. I'm highlighting parts of your play that I see as potentially manipulative or otherwise scummy and confronting you based on them.
Given that my vote, which would be number 4 on UXLZ and would for all intents and purposes be a death knell for them (assuming, of course, no-one changed their vote) I wanted to get some information as a result of that threat. A target of opportunity, if you will.
Given, also, that I don't want them to defend themselves, as that would be entirely useless to the rest of the town, I wanted to know if they had suspicions on other players. The more information in the matrix, the better it is for the town.
This is a very good tactic for the town. Asking people to prove that they are town is an exercise in futility. Telling them to scumhunt elsewhere or to report on any observations they have is oftentimes very effective. It should not be your only tool, (and, in fact, scum can zero in on town by focusing only on prompting them for reads) but it is a good one.You seem a little hesitant to use your vote considering lynches are deadline-based. As town, you should be voting the player you find most suspicious most of the time. Votes can be fickle and, while throwing your vote around willy-nilly is not optimum, being too cautious with your vote is a liability.
You appear to be putting me in the role of coach, in that scenario. This is my first game, I've only read through a few beginner mafia games. I literally am learning on the fly here, man!
You have an understanding of how mafia is played and coaching your scumbuddy is not an action reserved just for experienced players. Even just reading the actions of the town can cue you in on the general feeling of the game state, which you may not see your partner catching onto.
I don't really see where you're going with that one though. I was the only one to answer the questions (technically Dani did as well, but the answer wasn't very enlightening) to this point, why should that make me and UXLZ scumbuddies?
It was the tone of your respective posts. I may very well be wrong, but I am pursuing what I see.
You posted something that distances you a little from UXLZ, which is common among scumbuddies who don't want to be associated with one another. You then proceed to do what is called "chainsaw defending," which is defending a player by attacking people who are suspicious of them. You're basically trying to invalidate scumreads on UXLZ by saying that you are the only one actually answering his questions and saying that the act of not directly answering questions is inherently scummy. (It is not, especially in the RQS of the game, where questions are not often directly related to the game on hand.)
Oh snap, you didn't answer the question did you?
You're posting at a very fast rate and making large walls of text. Can you point out those questions I'm avoiding instead of just repeating that I'm not answering them without specifying which questions you are referring to?
There are two scum, remember? UXLZ, at this point and in my opinion, is not in my top two of players that could be scum. It wasn't so much a defense of UXLZ, but rather an attempt for you (and DarkStar) to explain yourself.
You didn't, so I'll give you another opportunity to do so. Why so harsh on someone asking reasonable questions?
Oh, trust me, I know very well that there are two scum. Why do you think I was suspecting you of being scumbuddies with UXLZ?
Why so harsh? Because pressuring other players is part of the game. Again, you seem to be very heavily against the idea of me pressuring UXLZ with no real reason behind it. That kind of white knighting is suspicious.
Like I say, questioning you, rather than defending them. What else is making you suspect UXLZ?
His posting is awkward and strikes me as newbie scum, and the questions are phrased in a fashion that smells scummy to me. However, your reactions are the main reason my suspicion has been rising. The dynamics between you two are suspect, and your chainsaw defense of another player over a bloody FoS is quite noted.
Scripten is asking questions, yes, but they're not questions that would reveal anything useful to the town with the answer:
Empty statement. Prove it.
hector13: Why did you ask Deus is he was worried about being killed? What use would you get out of answers to that question?
Can you first explain why a town player would want advice on how to play scum?
I expect you to tell me exactly why these questions do not reveal information to the town.
Because right now you appear to be voting for people based on the amount of scumhunting they are doing. Perhaps you should rethink that.
Further, Scripten hasn't answered any of my questions to him, or when they do, it's with another question:
I would like to point out that DarkStar and Scripten, as the two most experience (I think) players in the game, do seem quick to either vote for or suspect UXLZ for trying to learn how to play.
And then we get this bit here from hector13, which is quite notable in that it directly conflicts with his earlier post in which HE is suspecting UXLZ. Playing both sides of the fence, hector13?
note also, that in that instance my initial question wasn't quoted by Scripten:
What is different enough in this instance to warrant the suggestion that UXLZ is scum because of that?
First of all, that initial quote was not a question. Secondly, if you have been reading my posts, you should be understanding that I did answer your question in that second quote. I did not directly quote it, but from the context and through reading comprehension, you should be able to figure out my answer.
Or are you not actually reading my posts?
Now, having read through some other beginner Mafia games on Bay12, I know that the scum players have scumchat, basically their own private chat-room away from the game to coordinate... whatever they need to coordinate.
Thus, why, in the name of the Wee Man, would any of the scum be so utterly f***ing stupid as to correct their buddy in the game!? It literally would serve no purpose that couldn't be served - absolutely risk-free I might add - in the scumchat.
Aha. Caught you.
What you are doing right now is what is called an OMGUS. That is, when a player is suspecting you, you suspect them right back! (It stands for "Oh my god you suck!") It's completely useless to the town, as the act of suspecting another player is not scummy and thus misleads town into mislynches, and can sometimes be a scumtell. Now, you may be thinking "Oh, I voted you first, so you're OMGUS-ing me!" You'll notice, however, that I said suspicion is the key. Certain scum players have tried to avoid culpability in an OMGUS vote by voting players who are catching onto them and accusing their targets of OMGUS when they rightfully vote for the scum player.
Can you explain to me why you are so insulted by the very idea that you might be coaching another player when you have a private scumchat elsewhere from which to coordinate?
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