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Re: Females in Games? Thread
« Reply #1620 on: January 04, 2015, 10:36:36 am »

I have never played league of legends, but it sounds horribly over sexualised, if that video and its image are anything to go by. All those sexually unsatisfied pro players must be desperately trying to stop their erections from flipping the table in front of thousands.

I would actually watch pro gaming if that happened sometimes.
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Re: Females in Games? Thread
« Reply #1621 on: January 04, 2015, 10:49:48 am »

Let's not make wild estimates about the gender of pro players.
(They are all men. All.)

You know the Amazones were a Greek myth, right?
'K I've done about a half-hour of research so I feel I can share what I know- though don't take it for granted I'll be right.
One, Amazones were not a myth- but they may have been grossly exaggerated by the Greeks. However, Herodotus does say they chop off their offending parts- and hey, Troy turned out to be a real place.

Professional Modern female archers actually wear chest guards to protect against that kind of thing happening- but it doesn't generally ever happen with the modern composite bow.
This seems like something which only happens with recurves.
Whether or not it happens with shortbows, we don't know- which sucks as that's the specific type Lara uses in the latest game.
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« Reply #1622 on: January 04, 2015, 10:57:26 am »

Because personally I would've guessed you'd have a much different reaction to seeing violence against a woman than a man- because of a sense of comradery, or just thinking that token beefslab of the week seems more equipped to handle a beating.

Camaraderie? Not really, since the people depicted are so different from me. And the beefslab thing... uh... no. He seems more able to handle a beating because he's not going "Oh no oh no don't hurt me please~ <3"


1. Ever noticed that majority of protagonists in "pew pee stab stab" games are men, whilst majority of protagonists in puzzle games are women- is that an issue, or just playing to majorities?

The majority of protagonists in puzzle games are women?

Puzzle games in my library (note that I'm not counting adventure games, but games explicitly presented as puzzles or puzzle-platformers, where you do more thinking than actioning; not counting stuff like Guacamelee or Papers, Please or Tiny and Big: Grandpa's Leftovers. If you'd like to dispute any of the additions on here, let me know):

Braid - M
Eversion - M
Portal - F
Portal 2 - F
Puzzle Bots - Evenly mixed cast
The Swapper - M
140 - N/A
Adventures of Shuggy - M
And Yet it Moves - M
Antichamber - ?
The Bridge - M
Chuck's Challenge 3D - M
Closure - Evenly mixed cast
Cogs - N/A
Contrast - F
Crayon Physics Deluxe - N/A
Cubetractor - M
Eets Munchies - ?
Fez - M
Gunpoint - M
Kami - N/A
La-Mulana - M
LIMBO - M
LYNE - N/A
NightSky - N/A
Papo & Yo - M
Puzzle Kingdoms - Strongly male-tilted cast
Snapshot - M
Sokobond - N/A
Starseed Pilgrim - ?
Stealth Bastard Deluxe - M
Stick it to the Man! - M
Thomas Was Alone - Strongly male-tilted cast

So, of those with a solo protagonist: 16/21 > 75% are male.
Of those with a mixed cast: 2/4 = 50% are strongly tilted male (i.e. 75% of depicted characters or more are male).

What I suspect is that people think that having more female protagonists means that the majority of of the protagonists are female.

The point-and-click adventure games in my library show a much more even split, but that is mostly because I own the entire Blackwell series. I really don't seek out point-and-click adventure games enough to include them on my list, and since all but one of my point and clicks is by Wadjet Eye Games, I feel I'd be expressing the gender makeup of a particular company more than anything else.


2. In Tomb Raider, Lara Croft uses a bow, even though most women IRL can't- particularly women so "endowed". Should she?

Most men IRL can't use a bow, hack a computer, jump off a cliff and roll at the bottom, or engage in witty repartee that leads them to inevitably schtup exclusively 10/10 women mostly by providing little token gifts (looking at you, Geralt of Rivia). She should perhaps be depicted wearing an archery breastplate.
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« Reply #1623 on: January 04, 2015, 10:58:02 am »

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All those sexually unsatisfied pro players

Mmm... That sounds like it could be making an assumption about people who play video games for a living, but I'll take the route that suggests you mean those pro players who are sexually frustrated, rather than implying that most if not all pro players are.

Yeah, League can be pretty overly sexualised, I mean, they can actually do non-sexualised characters pretty well, but for each of these ones where they're handled alright (the old art was less sexualised for the one at the top.)

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There's also a lot of these. (Note, there's also characters that are sexualised because it fits the character's actual lore, like one of them is a Soul-sucking Kyuubi Fox who seduces men for whom it would make sense to be sexualised, these characters are just the ones that are sexualised for no reason aside from 'sexy!'. Of course, there is a difference between 'sexy' and 'sexualised', but I don't know how to make that judgement.)

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I mean, are these sexualised? I don't even know any more. T_T
The second one I've always found creepy, though. I really dislike how her flesh kind of splits away for the sake of Absolute Cleavage. (Look it up on TvTropes.)

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Let's not make wild estimates about the gender of pro players.
(They are all men. All.)

I'm really confused by this. >_>
Regardless, I know that there's one Hearthstone player called Hafu who's female, and aside from her...
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« Reply #1624 on: January 04, 2015, 11:01:52 am »

I mean, are these sexualised? I don't even know any more. T_T.

If they're wearing what passes as lingerie, then yes, they are sexualized.
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Re: Females in Games? Thread
« Reply #1625 on: January 04, 2015, 11:30:05 am »

the concept of misandry is a myth


are we at this stage of the argument again? first sexism doesn't exist, racism doesn't exist, now no misandry either?
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« Reply #1626 on: January 04, 2015, 11:34:11 am »

What? Who said sexism or racism don't exist?
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« Reply #1627 on: January 04, 2015, 11:35:53 am »

What? Who said sexism or racism don't exist?

smeeprocket. it got scrubbed after everyone was up in arms over it though.

full disclosure: it was specifically 'sexism against men' and 'racism against whites' that doesn't exist.
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« Reply #1628 on: January 04, 2015, 11:36:50 am »

I so distrust peoples unable to see fanatics in their own camps.
Of course some feminist are completely over the top and ready to lash out at anyone criticising feminism and not suscribing to their idea. And there have been a lot of action that lump all men in the guilty camp, such as #notallmen.
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« Reply #1629 on: January 04, 2015, 11:40:46 am »

the concept of misandry is a myth


are we at this stage of the argument again? first sexism doesn't exist, racism doesn't exist, now no misandry either?

no one ever said sexism or racism doesn't exist. I don't know where you got that.

Please, elaborate again on how women are treated as equals in society, tho.

Also, did Tack actually use the #notallmen hashtag? Tack, I hope that was either ironic or you at least know the motivations behind that misogynistic bullshit.

These arguments that women have to appear at least somewhat masculine if they want to be able to fight because... you know what, forget it being fantasy, let me school you on real life...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBL7YUTRlpk

http://fightstate.com/indian-woman-spinning-backfist-follows-double-leg-takedown-guy-train-station/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3lfTAo5qeE#t=68

After you look at those, keep in mind, as has been stated over and over, video games are NOT REAL. Therefore, if my 120 pound character (I prefer her bigger and curvy tbh) kicks the ass of a 200 pound male, that is okay. I don't need it to be super realistic.

Also, this, because it is funny

http://www.theonion.com/articles/i-dont-support-feminism-if-it-means-murdering-all,37301/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=LinkPreview:1:Default
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« Reply #1630 on: January 04, 2015, 11:41:26 am »

I so distrust peoples unable to see fanatics in their own camps.
Of course some feminist are completely over the top and ready to lash out at anyone criticising feminism and not suscribing to their idea. And there have been a lot of action that lump all men in the guilty camp, such as #notallmen.

#notallmen is an MRA hashtag, seriously, do your homework guys.
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« Reply #1631 on: January 04, 2015, 11:42:23 am »

I so distrust peoples unable to see fanatics in their own camps.
Of course some feminist are completely over the top and ready to lash out at anyone criticising feminism and not suscribing to their idea. And there have been a lot of action that lump all men in the guilty camp, such as #notallmen.

#notallmen is an MRA hashtag, seriously, do your homework guys.


Nope, that's #yesallmen. Notallmen was supposed to mock the "not all men are like that" which is a legitimate argument. Yesallmen was a counter reaction.
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« Reply #1632 on: January 04, 2015, 11:45:02 am »

I so distrust peoples unable to see fanatics in their own camps.
Of course some feminist are completely over the top and ready to lash out at anyone criticising feminism and not suscribing to their idea. And there have been a lot of action that lump all men in the guilty camp, such as #notallmen.

#notallmen is an MRA hashtag, seriously, do your homework guys.


Nope, that's #yesallmen.

you are thinking of #yesallwomen

don't argue with me about sexist hashtags, I've seen enough of them to know what I am talking about. WHy would feminists even need a #notallmen hashtag, we deal with men constantly wanting us to affirm that for them, we aren't going to create a hashtag catering to that.

I don't have a twitter account or I'd just link the feed on that.
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« Reply #1633 on: January 04, 2015, 11:47:41 am »

Please, elaborate again on how women are treated as equals in society, tho.

they pretty much are.
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« Reply #1634 on: January 04, 2015, 11:48:37 am »

You mean the Twitter feed for the hashtag?

Yeah it's not a feminist thing.
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