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[Parisbre56]

I disagree with the might part, it should be should. And the fact that the team fund can make money out of nothing with a one time investment. If it has to be handled by the team fund and not the armory, then there has to be some production cost, like a cost for the carbon used for example.

[Radio Controlled]

I disagree with the might part, it should be should.

So, instead of:

Team fund might be involved into buying a box and then selling the limbs, but we'll see about that (maybe 1 token per 3 or so limbs

You're saying it should be:

Team fund should be involved into buying a box and then selling the limbs, but we'll see about that (maybe 1 token per 3 or so limbs

Or is it:

Team fund might be involved into buying a box and then selling the limbs, and if it is the limbs will still cost money to the buyer.

Besides, I was just reporting what me and try had come up with yet, no real plans yet.

It's still a ten token investment, and probably won't make its money back for quite a while. The exact amount of limbs per token we can discus, but it's 1 token per regular limb from the AM, so if we can't offer a better deal than that, there's no point to using sharkmist.

[Sean Mirrsen]

It's still a ten token investment, and probably won't make its money back for quite a while. The exact amount of limbs per token we can discus, but it's 1 token per regular limb from the AM, so if we can't offer a better deal than that, there's no point to using sharkmist.

Maybe there should be no point? What exactly is the purpose of providing a better deal than the Armory does, for this service? Sellback to the fund I can agree with, it just keeps the gear in circulation without wasting tokens. Making gear the Armory won't bother with, or providing services the Armory doesn't have, that I also understand. But if all you're doing is the same as what the Armory does but cheaper, what is stopping the Armory from using the cheaper method? If you want to cheapen the limbs via sharkmist, just propose it as an upgrade.

[Radio Controlled]

It's still a ten token investment, and probably won't make its money back for quite a while. The exact amount of limbs per token we can discus, but it's 1 token per regular limb from the AM, so if we can't offer a better deal than that, there's no point to using sharkmist.

Maybe there should be no point? What exactly is the purpose of providing a better deal than the Armory does, for this service? Sellback to the fund I can agree with, it just keeps the gear in circulation without wasting tokens. Making gear the Armory won't bother with, or providing services the Armory doesn't have, that I also understand. But if all you're doing is the same as what the Armory does but cheaper, what is stopping the Armory from using the cheaper method? If you want to cheapen the limbs via sharkmist, just propose it as an upgrade.

Originally we had to choose between "1 token limbs, can only take so many with you" and "vat to grow limbs, bigger and heavier, more expensive, certain dangers if spilled, but practically unlimited limbs". But since growing your limbs on-mission seemed silly, I told tryar another alternative, which probably would've been the end result anyway for people who'd buy a vat. The idea to have the team fund buy a vat and sell limbs seemed logical after that, due to the high start-up cost and because it fits within the team fund goal, but that idea still provisional. Though if the fund doesn't I suspect then either somebody else will buy a vat and sell limbs the same way, or nobody will because 10 tokens is a lot, making that part of the idea useless.

[Ozarck]

It's still a ten token investment, and probably won't make its money back for quite a while. The exact amount of limbs per token we can discus, but it's 1 token per regular limb from the AM, so if we can't offer a better deal than that, there's no point to using sharkmist.

Maybe there should be no point? What exactly is the purpose of providing a better deal than the Armory does, for this service? Sellback to the fund I can agree with, it just keeps the gear in circulation without wasting tokens. Making gear the Armory won't bother with, or providing services the Armory doesn't have, that I also understand. But if all you're doing is the same as what the Armory does but cheaper, what is stopping the Armory from using the cheaper method? If you want to cheapen the limbs via sharkmist, just propose it as an upgrade.

Originally we had to choose between "1 token limbs, can only take so many with you" and "vat to grow limbs, bigger and heavier, more expensive, certain dangers if spilled, but practically unlimited limbs". But since growing your limbs on-mission seemed silly, I told tryar another alternative, which probably would've been the end result anyway for people who'd buy a vat. The idea to have the team fund buy a vat and sell limbs seemed logical after that, due to the high start-up cost and because it fits within the team fund goal, but that idea still provisional. Though if the fund doesn't I suspect then either somebody else will buy a vat and sell limbs the same way, or nobody will because 10 tokens is a lot, making that part of the idea useless.

getting enough funds together, I'd certainly be interested in such a business venture. I'd even go partners on it with a discerning, preferably not noticably insane, fellow inmate.

[Corsair]

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@Paris

1)As Ozarck said, this is the danger of open-mindedness.  I don't think it's a large problem, because we'd intentionally be creating a close-minded religion.  These children would, for their entire lives, be taught that one central goal overrules all else; why would any philosophy which doesn't ascribe to the same insane point of view change their minds?  Especially considering the fact that they're pretty sheltered, in the safest place we have?  Anyway, even if some do develop this problem, we can always just deport dissenters. 

2)I'm not 100% sure about the risk here.  A dead world is obviously a bad outcome, because everyone's dead, ergo nobody is left to do science; Why would one of the kids create one?  A quiet world isn't necessarily bad for us (unless PW wrests control from players).  I think I'd like to play a character running a quiet world...

In terms of dealing with a hypothetical 'absolute truth' which is so irresistible that it must be believed, and which ends up having a negative effect on us... I've got no idea how to stop that.  Even having maximum security won't stop the kids; they're exceptionally smart, and can probably get around anything we set up.  Perhaps we could have intentional security flaws that are findable, but are actually false and only serve to detect traitors?

@Ozarck

I'm not sure?  Googling that term, it doesn't seem to be an actual codified thing, and the actual philosophy of science seems to vary between individuals.

Regardless, my idea probably isn't, because it's intentionally an irrational concept.  The religion should teach that scientific progress is more important than everything else.  Where a standard human would typically rank happiness as the most important goal, these children should rank learning in its place.  Where a normal person wishes to avoid sadness, these children should wish to avoid stagnation above all else.  They should be taught that a blind faith in scientific advancement will solve all problems, eventually.

This is because these children have a singular purpose and role: Advancing science.  Aside from that role, they are expendable and valueless.  They should be the best scientists we can create, and we don't need our scientists to be functional humans.  On the contrary, they should really be as inhuman as possible.

...Boy, I'm great at roleplaying a sociopath, aren't I? >.>

secondary concept should be something along the lines of ethics and/or duty - believing that whatever they do is for the Greater Good.

Yeah, I meant this to be implied.  If you value scientific progress above all else, and believe it to be the solution to all problems, then any ethical system aside from outright causing problems would naturally lead to furthering scientific progress.

I hoped that it can help to put them in the sufficiently 'emergency' state of "War threatens homeland!" and bring out their best ability and duty, simultaneously.

I think a better 'emergency' would be the UWM.  They have far more raw power than us, and are fighting for technological stagnation--which stands in for hell.  They are pretty much as close as possible to literal devil worshippers, from these kid's perspective.

Irrelevant fun fact: I once wrote an essay in English concerning a similar theme, if anyone cared to read my ramblings.

I care to.

Open-mindedness is superior to closed mind when you have the higher rational ground.

Problematically, though... we don't really have a higher rational ground, unless you cahnge the definition of 'rational', as I'm suggesting.  The UWM has a tech ban for a damn good reason, and overall is a far safer bet than the ARM, if you're a rational human being.  We're the Sith, not the rebel alliance.

As for the concerns... There is a cryptic hint from Piecewise that "there's some backstabbing in those genes~", which I am moderately concerned about. It might pay in the long run to work out some safety measures just in case.

Gaaaah, this is important and useful information!  What's with you people and secret PM conversations, it only helps PW fuck us over...

@Corsair

I'm gonna agree with Nik here, and say an Assaultsuit is a good choice.  I suggest you get a mobility variant, which trades some survivability for flight.

Another option is a Heavy Robotic Body (That thing Yaroslav was testing), which is basically the same as a mobility variant assaultsuit except it's small enough to easily go almost anywhere your comrades can go, and you can't exit it because you're a brain in a body, rather than a pilot in a cockpit.

Okay, what is this integrated weapons variant that Nikitan mentioned you were working on because if it is amazing for my purposes then I would definitely wait for it. Also between MMI and Analog controls what are the differences of each?

[AkumaKasai]

It's still a ten token investment, and probably won't make its money back for quite a while. The exact amount of limbs per token we can discus, but it's 1 token per regular limb from the AM, so if we can't offer a better deal than that, there's no point to using sharkmist.

Maybe there should be no point? What exactly is the purpose of providing a better deal than the Armory does, for this service? Sellback to the fund I can agree with, it just keeps the gear in circulation without wasting tokens. Making gear the Armory won't bother with, or providing services the Armory doesn't have, that I also understand. But if all you're doing is the same as what the Armory does but cheaper, what is stopping the Armory from using the cheaper method? If you want to cheapen the limbs via sharkmist, just propose it as an upgrade.

Originally we had to choose between "1 token limbs, can only take so many with you" and "vat to grow limbs, bigger and heavier, more expensive, certain dangers if spilled, but practically unlimited limbs". But since growing your limbs on-mission seemed silly, I told tryar another alternative, which probably would've been the end result anyway for people who'd buy a vat. The idea to have the team fund buy a vat and sell limbs seemed logical after that, due to the high start-up cost and because it fits within the team fund goal, but that idea still provisional. Though if the fund doesn't I suspect then either somebody else will buy a vat and sell limbs the same way, or nobody will because 10 tokens is a lot, making that part of the idea useless.

getting enough funds together, I'd certainly be interested in such a business venture. I'd even go partners on it with a discerning, preferably not noticably insane, fellow inmate.

Elias would definitely appreciate extra human limbs. If he can get free ones afterwards, he'll happily pay you his five mission tokens to help buy a vat.

[spazyak]

It's still a ten token investment, and probably won't make its money back for quite a while. The exact amount of limbs per token we can discus, but it's 1 token per regular limb from the AM, so if we can't offer a better deal than that, there's no point to using sharkmist.

Maybe there should be no point? What exactly is the purpose of providing a better deal than the Armory does, for this service? Sellback to the fund I can agree with, it just keeps the gear in circulation without wasting tokens. Making gear the Armory won't bother with, or providing services the Armory doesn't have, that I also understand. But if all you're doing is the same as what the Armory does but cheaper, what is stopping the Armory from using the cheaper method? If you want to cheapen the limbs via sharkmist, just propose it as an upgrade.

Originally we had to choose between "1 token limbs, can only take so many with you" and "vat to grow limbs, bigger and heavier, more expensive, certain dangers if spilled, but practically unlimited limbs". But since growing your limbs on-mission seemed silly, I told tryar another alternative, which probably would've been the end result anyway for people who'd buy a vat. The idea to have the team fund buy a vat and sell limbs seemed logical after that, due to the high start-up cost and because it fits within the team fund goal, but that idea still provisional. Though if the fund doesn't I suspect then either somebody else will buy a vat and sell limbs the same way, or nobody will because 10 tokens is a lot, making that part of the idea useless.

getting enough funds together, I'd certainly be interested in such a business venture. I'd even go partners on it with a discerning, preferably not noticably insane, fellow inmate.

I am willing to support you, plus, now that my character is medicated he shall be sane.

[AkumaKasai]

So if we all pitch in a bit of cash, we'll have a valuable limb-vat co-owned by a completely insane and often violent slaver with schizophrenia, the surly mechanic who he tried to enslave, and a usually friendly but easily aggravated cannibal. I'm not sure if this is a terrible idea or an amazing one.

[Egan_BW]

Keep in mind the limb-vat can only grow one form that can't be changed after purchase.
Any grown limbs will have to be universal and you'll have to buy a new vat for organs.

[spazyak]

This is the best Ideal ever, I am the mad scientist medic walking around in full plate, the surely mechanic who hates everyone else, and a cannibal. This is the most sane Ideal I think anyone on the sword has ever had!

[Egan_BW]

So you're a man of Ideals, I see.

[spazyak]

So you're a man of Ideals, I see.

I pride my self in my ability to think.

[AkumaKasai]

You shouldn't.

[spazyak]

You shouldn't.

Why not, Come on! Join the fun!