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Re: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России
« Reply #1305 on: December 28, 2014, 01:23:39 pm »

Many Russians also think that Putin's Russia really could use more oppression and death directed onto thieves of national wealth, i.e. almost all oligarchs and most government officials.
Only mass executions can save the Motherland, comrade!
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Re: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России
« Reply #1306 on: December 28, 2014, 01:36:49 pm »

There's not that many of these people for it to be labeled "mass".

Also, I don't think that executions of any kind will ultimately change the system. You need to remove the very foundation of power for these people in order to make a true revolution.
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Re: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России
« Reply #1307 on: December 28, 2014, 01:46:15 pm »

Many Russians also think that Putin's Russia really could use more oppression and death directed onto thieves of national wealth, i.e. almost all oligarchs and most government officials.
Only mass executions can save the Motherland, comrade!
Had you said 'mass killings' and quoted the entire post, that could've been a fusion joke D:
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Re: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России
« Reply #1308 on: December 28, 2014, 01:46:59 pm »

There's not that many of these people for it to be labeled "mass".
Joke.
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Re: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России
« Reply #1309 on: December 28, 2014, 01:48:24 pm »

Ya I know it's a joke...
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Re: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России
« Reply #1310 on: December 28, 2014, 02:53:41 pm »

Ya I know it's a joke...
Well you've replied to it in a completely straight way, so...
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Re: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России
« Reply #1311 on: December 28, 2014, 03:09:21 pm »

My bad, I should've added a smiley back there  :-\
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Re: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России
« Reply #1312 on: December 28, 2014, 05:16:56 pm »

It's sad how people talk about change but dont even consider that it might come from the ballot box.
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Re: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России
« Reply #1313 on: December 28, 2014, 05:22:04 pm »

It's sad how people talk about change but dont even consider that it might come from the ballot box.

Wrong country, buddy.
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« Reply #1314 on: December 28, 2014, 05:28:33 pm »

Yeah, that.

There's a considerable lack of alternative political force in Russia that doesn't suck major donkey balls.
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Re: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России
« Reply #1315 on: December 28, 2014, 05:43:10 pm »

You know, that is the thing that bugs me about democracy.

IF we assume the following:
1) There is no Ultimate Problem Solving Party;
2) Each party has a set of problems it can deal with, list of problems it doesn't care about and a list of problems it creates while in power;

The democracy only allows to change the set of current problems, giving an illusion of power to people while actually keeping it to those who people delegated it.
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Re: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России
« Reply #1316 on: December 28, 2014, 05:49:36 pm »

It's sad how people talk about change but dont even consider that it might come from the ballot box.
Russia's foray into liberal democracy in the 1990s shows the ballot box alone can't improve anything - no matter how low and single-digit Yeltsin's approval rating was and how many Communist MPs were elected into parliament, it didn't change a damn thing and didn't solve any of Russia's problems.
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Re: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России
« Reply #1317 on: December 28, 2014, 05:51:30 pm »

You know, that is the thing that bugs me about democracy.

IF we assume the following:
1) There is no Ultimate Problem Solving Party;
2) Each party has a set of problems it can deal with, list of problems it doesn't care about and a list of problems it creates while in power;

The democracy only allows to change the set of current problems, giving an illusion of power to people while actually keeping it to those who people delegated it.
Point 2 isn't valid, as parties are made up of individuals with different skills and focuses, and "problem solving" as a set isn't well defined. Further, the statement can be made more readily about autocracy, as the permanence of a singular political order means that specific problems that are not seen as problems by the regime or outside context issues will both go either unaddressed or be addressed badly.

Diversification of politics and non-coercion for the public to support those politics is the best way we have to ensure that our changing situations are recognized and considered rationally.
It's sad how people talk about change but dont even consider that it might come from the ballot box.
Russia's foray into liberal democracy in the 1990s shows the ballot box alone can't improve things - no matter how low and single-digit Yeltsin's approval rating was and how many Communist MPs were elected into parliament, it didn't change a damn thing and didn't solve any of Russia's problems.
Russia did something in the 90's, but liberal democracy isn't a good description of it. Oligarchic mob politics coupled with economic insolvency do not a liberal regime make.
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Re: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России
« Reply #1318 on: December 28, 2014, 06:01:46 pm »

You know, that is the thing that bugs me about democracy.

IF we assume the following:
1) There is no Ultimate Problem Solving Party;
2) Each party has a set of problems it can deal with, list of problems it doesn't care about and a list of problems it creates while in power;

The democracy only allows to change the set of current problems, giving an illusion of power to people while actually keeping it to those who people delegated it.
Point 2 isn't valid, as parties are made up of individuals with different skills and focuses, and "problem solving" as a set isn't well defined. Further, the statement can be made more readily about autocracy, as the permanence of a singular political order means that specific problems that are not seen as problems by the regime or outside context issues will both go either unaddressed or be addressed badly.

Diversification of politics and non-coercion for the public to support those politics is the best way we have to ensure that our changing situations are recognized and considered rationally.
It's sad how people talk about change but dont even consider that it might come from the ballot box.
Russia's foray into liberal democracy in the 1990s shows the ballot box alone can't improve things - no matter how low and single-digit Yeltsin's approval rating was and how many Communist MPs were elected into parliament, it didn't change a damn thing and didn't solve any of Russia's problems.
Russia did something in the 90's, but liberal democracy isn't a good description of it. Oligarchic mob politics coupled with economic insolvency do not a liberal regime make.
No, the best way to do that is to educate people to not vote based on superficial factors, like "how funny is that person" or "how beneficial to me I find their promises", which do not correlate at all with "how well can this person rule the country".

Sadly a population voting rationally is not in the plan of modern politicians. It's much easier to keep a population which buys into funny jokes, promises and hype.

Hype is cheap and sells, well-done work is hard and doesn't sell. True in video game industry, true in politics as well.
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Re: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России
« Reply #1319 on: December 28, 2014, 06:04:05 pm »

No, the best way to do that is to educate people to not vote based on superficial factors, like "how funny is that person" or "how beneficial to me I find their promises", which do not correlate at all with "how well can this person rule the country".
Coercion isn't just force, this kind of beguiling would fall under it.
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Sadly a population voting rationally is not in the plan of modern politicians. It's much easier to keep a population which buys into funny jokes, promises and hype.

Hype is cheap and sells, well-done work is hard and doesn't sell. True in video game industry, true in politics as well.
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