Print

Please login or register.
1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever
Login with username, password and session length

[TolyK]

Other people's opinions?

I think it's swell.

Err.

[Shakerag]

Cheeetar:

Your question: No, my wincon is not clearer. The only new information I have is that Flabort is 'the real Shakerag', and this does not help me one bit given that Flabort is dead. Unless we have a medium or somebody who can resurrect around?

I know what that means.  And I am in a position to help.  But you're going to have to tell me why you're looking for 'the real Shakerag' first, and what actions you have that you'd use with that knowledge. 

[zombie urist]

Ah, you were referencing my kill?  The difference there is that he controlled the lynch, the town's primary weapon, while I was in possession of a kill and have, technically, no obligation to consult with anyone else before using it.  I'm a vigilante, but also a doctor at the same time.

So he's scummy just because he's the hammerer? How are you a doctor at the same time? Weren't you complaining of being totally vanilla earlier? Also how are you able to kill Jim and protect Cheetar at the same time?

it takes three hits to kill me

3 hits to kill and 3 votes hmmmumumumm

[Persus13]

4maskwolf

Persus13: Are you saying that you are given the role of Shakerag or of Anti-Shakerag or both?

No, I'm trying to make sense of some night information I got. Why does this make me look suspicious?

I'm calling bullshit on these flips.  I somehow doubt there would be this many side-confused players.

Or maybe the parameter determining alignments is too narrow. Maybe the Pro/anti Shakerag isn't as big a part of the game as it seems.

My inspection is complete and accurate.

By this do you mean you have the parts of flabort's roles that the flip obscured? Nothing was left out in the linked post?

Ah, you were referencing my kill?  The difference there is that he controlled the lynch, the town's primary weapon, while I was in possession of a kill and have, technically, no obligation to consult with anyone else before using it.  I'm a vigilante, but also a doctor at the same time.

So he's scummy just because he's the hammerer? How are you a doctor at the same time? Weren't you complaining of being totally vanilla earlier? Also how are you able to kill Jim and protect Cheetar at the same time?

it takes three hits to kill me

3 hits to kill and 3 votes hmmmumumumm

4maskwolf claimed abilities earlier in the thread that answers most of your questions (but I can't find it at the moment through search. Also, you may find this post relevant.

Spoiler: MASSIVE FUCKING RANT (click to show/hide)

Seriously?  Seriously?  I swear to god, I was given the most boring-ass role in existence, on top of it being entirely fucking useless, since apparently everyone else is more powerful than I am with regards to their roles.  In a game where people can GIVE EXTRA ROLES OF THEIR OWN DEVISING, PROVIDE TRICK GUNS THAT BLOW UP THE USER, AND GIVE MANDATES THAT CAN CHANGE THE WAY THE GAME OPERATES, I'm stuck with a pair of fucking useless roles, ONE OF WHICH MAKES IT SO THAT OTHER PEOPLE WANT ME DEAD!  I swear, EVERYONE has some little gimmick they can do EXCEPT WHAT I HAVE!  My role would be useful in a regular mafia game, but GUESS WHAT THIS ISN'T?  As it is, I won't even be able to take a night action tonight because apparently there will be no night one, which was the ONLY thing I could actually do in this entire game.  Given the way the game is shaking up, there isn't even a way for my role to be useful!  But I suppose that's just my luck: first I get shackled with fucking brother-ally in Flabort's game, ON TOP of having obnoxious abilities that meant everyone wanted me dead, and now I get the most useless role in this entire game.  Sure, I have three votes, but Flabort can easily exceed that with his role, while stealing mine in the process.  I have literally NO useful abilities that other people don't easily surpass.  Because fuck my life.

*pants*

I swear to God, though, I am THIS close to requesting replacement out of sheer frustration at the futility of playing this game.

Toaster

[4maskwolf]

Posting to allow Persus13 to explain.

It would have made you suspicious because nobody else seems to have been given such a role, but claiming such a thing could be a scum attempt to fly under the radar, that's why.

I'll get to the other questions/comments shortly.

[4maskwolf]

Found it.  Here's my full claim, minus what the mechanism gave me (though we've seen two of those abilities too, three if you count the auto).

Shakerag: I am willing to claim the roles I had at the start of the game, and have no mod-related restrictions on what I can say:

Role 1: The Shakerag, the Shakerag, and a few handfuls of Shakerag more
Wincon: Town
(N) Duel [target 1, target 2]: Kill target one, protect target two
(A) Three films: I have three lives
(A) Three characters: I have three votes, each of which may be used individually

Role 2: Registered Observer
Wincon: none
(A) Registered: This gives me access to the registered voter chat
(D) Vote Observer [t/self]: I determine how many votes the target has.  Used on Persus D1: 1 vote.
(N) Action Observer [t/self]: Determine who the target actions that night.

Cheeetar: You are once again blaming me for the whole king thing without any proof that I was in any way involved.  As I have said repeatedly, I am trying to fix the problem regardless of what goes on, and if the majority wants to lynch SBC Jim can just kill him, can he not?

No, ZU.  He's not scummy because he's the hammerer.  He's scummy because he stated the will to override the lynch should a decision be made not to his PERSONAL liking.  Particularly after I was already holding a "nuke" over SBC's head to try and make him follow the majority lynch.

Also, Zombie Urist, it's remarkable how lazy you are in not bothering to have read my fullclaim.  It's been public knowledge for some time now.  Your questioning is lazy to nonexistent, your questions targeted at me are easily answered by looking at what I've said in the past, and your last comment about my three votes and three lives is completely pointless, means nothing, and generally seems to be there for no purpose but provocation.

Additionally, I'm going to claim the two actions and the auto that I've taken advantage of so far from my other role:

White Box: Basically sets of nuclear alarms for the target (What I used with SBC to try and force his cooperation with the majority rule).

Black Box: Shortens the day for the target (used on Jim Groovester).

Voting Box: Auto that means that my votes are counted properly no matter what, the auto that allowed me to vote yesterday when there was a king.

[zombie urist]

yeah I totally forgot about that.

[Persus13]

Why I'm voting for Toaster. I've been suspicious of Toaster for a while because some stuff he's said has felt off. So last night I used my role power to inspect him (It only gets parts of people's roles). I only got parts of his role, but I learned that his goal is to eliminate anti-Shakerag elements. Since he's been doing this under the pretense of scumhunting, I think Toaster may be anti-Town and should be lynched.

[zombie urist]

Are you anti-shakerag?

[Persus13]

Are you anti-shakerag?

No.

[Jim Groovester]

By this do you mean you have the parts of flabort's roles that the flip obscured? Nothing was left out in the linked post?

Indeed I do. Which linked post are you talking about? Nothing was left out of the flip, no. If you're talking about flabort's claim, then yes, he left something out.

anti-Shakerag

I think it's time to figure out this pro-shakerag/anti-shakerag element of the game.

I think we should mass claim. So come on, cards on the table. Here's mine:

I am Agent Shakerag, FBI
-Wincon: Town (all threats to the town are eliminated) OR anti-anti-Shakerag (all anti-shakerag roles are eliminated)
-(N) Sting Operation (t₁,...,t_n): If all the targets have the same alignment, they die.
-(N) Recon (t): Investigates a player role's role. Also introduces my role name to them.
Ultra Street Fighter IV
-Wincon: <none>
-(A) 1337 skillz: There is a 5.1% chance that actions fail against me.
-(A) Punish: If an action fails against me the actor gets punched.
-(N) Finish (t): If a target has been punched, they die.

On Day 1 I received the following roles from flabort:

Role that allows additional uses of actions
-Wincon: I win in any other way AND all genies are freed.
-(A) Magic Lump: I have a genie in a lump.
-(3-shot) Free Use License: Allows me to use any non-auto action at any time, including night actions during the day and day actions during the night.

The role that makes its owner win if it's Cheeetar and otherwise does nothing
-Wincon: I win in any other way OR I am a Cheeetar.
-(Free) Catch (t): Gives the role to the target.
-(A) Catch-32: The role cannot be given to Cheeetar, under penalty of dire circumstances.

I gave the Cheeetar role to Shakerag on Day 1 and used two shots of Free Use License inspecting and then killing flabort on Day 1.

Last night I tried to kill Shakerag twice since he's anti-Shakerag. Apparently I could not even target him. Fortunately my last shot of Free Use License did not get used up.

No, ZU.  He's not scummy because he's the hammerer.  He's scummy because he stated the will to override the lynch should a decision be made not to his PERSONAL liking.  Particularly after I was already holding a "nuke" over SBC's head to try and make him follow the majority lynch.

So your problem is that I said I would use my judgment as hammerer.

Is there any particular reason why you're not responding to my points directly? I want to know why not catering to the majority is somehow a problem when there was a king yesterday.

[Shakerag]

Jim Groovester:

Last night I tried to kill Shakerag twice since he's anti-Shakerag. Apparently I could not even target him. Fortunately my last shot of Free Use License did not get used up.

Dude.  Not only did I claim I couldn't be killed, I also claimed I couldn't be targeted unless I did something first. 

[Jim Groovester]

Yeah, but you could've been lying, or it only worked on the first action, or I dunno. It was worth a shot. Or two.

[Cheeetar]

Cheeetar:

Your question: No, my wincon is not clearer. The only new information I have is that Flabort is 'the real Shakerag', and this does not help me one bit given that Flabort is dead. Unless we have a medium or somebody who can resurrect around?

I know what that means.  And I am in a position to help.  But you're going to have to tell me why you're looking for 'the real Shakerag' first, and what actions you have that you'd use with that knowledge.

Are you asking for a roleclaim, Shakerag? I'm not too averse to it, given that we might be headed towards a mass roleclaim anyway, but I'm wary of being screwed over somehow given the bastardyness of this game.

[Shakerag]

Cheeetar:

Your question: No, my wincon is not clearer. The only new information I have is that Flabort is 'the real Shakerag', and this does not help me one bit given that Flabort is dead. Unless we have a medium or somebody who can resurrect around?

I know what that means.  And I am in a position to help.  But you're going to have to tell me why you're looking for 'the real Shakerag' first, and what actions you have that you'd use with that knowledge.

Are you asking for a roleclaim, Shakerag? I'm not too averse to it, given that we might be headed towards a mass roleclaim anyway, but I'm wary of being screwed over somehow given the bastardyness of this game.

I wasn't originally thinking of a full roleclaim, but sure, why not? 

Yeah, but you could've been lying, or it only worked on the first action, or I dunno. It was worth a shot. Or two.

Fair enough.