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[notquitethere]

TDS

It's a list of playstyles, not reads. If you want reads, ask for reads.

Sure sure, I didn't ask for reads. But you're somewhat side-stepping the issue here. Are you intending to try and lynch scum before the end of this day?

[TheDarkStar]

TDS

It's a list of playstyles, not reads. If you want reads, ask for reads.

Sure sure, I didn't ask for reads. But you're somewhat side-stepping the issue here. Are you intending to try and lynch scum before the end of this day?

Yes. There's still a lot of time left (till Monday), so I'll look over stuff. By the way, why aren't you questioning Worldmaster for his lack of voting?

[Scripten]

Going on a trip tomorrow for a Tech Jam in Vermont. I'll be gone from 7am until 7pm est. Therefore, I will almost assuredly not be posting then.

Please let me know if I have any outstanding questions or whatnot aimed at me. These walls are massive and my head hurts tonight.

Sorry about the WoTs. Do you think you could post reads on everyone in the game at this stage?

Unvote

Probably, though there's plenty of nulls at this point, since we've only JUST gotten out of RVS at the end of the day. Since I'm going to be gone, I'm going to leave my vote here on Flabort.

TheDarkStar - Quiet, playstyle reads seem accurate enough. RVS was alright, considering. Lines up well with the town role I remember from our one game together.
Urist Imiknorris - Never played with them before. Good questions and answers. Wonder what he thinks of current events between Flabort and Persus13.
flabort - Wee bit scummy, but it's hard to tell considering his usual play.
notquitethere - Slight town. Intelligent RVS questions and some probing scumhunting. For now, town bloc.
Varee - His usual self, which doesn't tell me much of anything. Wish he would give himself more credit and scumhunt more rather than relying on night actions and others.
Persus13 - Competent. A little tunnel-y, but only in reaction to Flabort.
Worldmaster27 - Good for a newbie. Nothing REALLY sticks out. Maybe slight scum for some of his answers. Mostly null.
Deathsword - Quiet as usual. So far he lines up with the town play I remember. Like TheDarkStar in many ways. We'll have to see.

[flabort]

Response back to Persus:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Are you (or were you) satisfied with a Varee lynch? If yes, why didn't you extend if you were concerned about the other lynch votes being random, if no, why didn't you unvote or extend?

Asking the same question, I assume this means that I did not answer to your satisfaction.
Short answer: Yes, I was satisfied, but less so than I would be with your lynch.
I did not extend because I did not think to. I tend to assume that extensions tend to go unused, so are not really worth it. And looking at most of the games I've played in recently, this is true; despite some efforts to converse after an extend, usually the town lynched the same person anyways.
So I'm used to an extend not being worth it, so I didn't think about doing that.

If the bolded part were true, you'd have a point. How does me voting someone with a question at the start of the game help me find scum better then me just asking a question? How does an unvote count as a scumhunting action in your book?

By pinning a vote to your question, during what I will remind you again is called the "random VOTING stage" (or do you use the V in RVS for something else?), then it becomes a pointed question. A question without a point is like a twig; useless in battle. A question with a point becomes an arrow, that forces the player to answer and creates more discussion than a twig.
Unvoting indicates that you were satisfied with the other player's answer, and are not tunnel visioning. Which means that you are willing to look at other targets, and spread out your scum-hunting, instead of filling two pages with an arguement about whether a case is or is not weak.
Also, voting and unvoting are just activity, period. If I don't count them as wheightier than someone just saying "Hai guys I'll be back later", then I get no scum-hunting done at all.

What. part. of. I. wasn't. available. at. day. start. for 24. hours. doesn't. register?

The part where I don't believe it. You've always been an active player, compared to some others I could mention, and though you don't spam posts, you are usually active early.

What part of you can't lurk on D1 because lurking can only be seen after a long period of time do you not understand?

The part where lurking is not defined as being absent for over 3 RL days; that's defined as "out of the game and being replaced".
And Day 1 takes place OVER a long period of time, often including a weekend;  or two, in rare cases. It's very possible to be absent over a weekend, which is a long period of time; therefor, it's very possible to lurk Day 1.

How does one post at the start of the game when there is nothing to work with mean more content then multiple posts later on in the day?

Considering the number of questions he answered and the number you answered in those respective posts appear to be the same? And he included actual content instead of fluff in his answers?
How about the fact that he didn't have three identical answers?

How could you take a question that goes "Are you being serious about this or are you joking?" to be a joke?

Did you seriously not get that it WAS a joke? Did you really NEED to ask about it?

And that makes me scum because....

Because it's not content! It's not your oppinion! It's complete fluff, words taking general truths and expanding them to take up space.
It's filler. Stuffing.
Instead of being honest and answering, you just pack us with cotton and pull the wool over our eyes.

Also also, the I lurk parts were a joke. I thought that came across, but I guess I was wrong.

Says the guy who can't tell if a question asked to oneself is a joke.

Come up with good reasons why I'm scum.

I would answer with "I'll do it later", but I don't want to copy you.
I would sugar coat my answer with global truths that aren't specific to this case, but I don't want to copy you.
I would quote the mafia wikis and dress them as my opinions, but I don't want to copy you.
I would OMGUS in response to what I saw as a weak case, but I don't want to copy you. Seriously, your case is that my case is weak.
I would assume that my attention will be entirely taken up by your answers and questions, but I don't want to copy you.
I would ignore other cases that are forming in favor of tunneling you, but I don't want to copy you.
I would accuse you of not thinking something through, but you get the picture.
I would assume that if I ended the conversation as fast as possible nobody would ask me more questions and notice me, but etc.
I would assume that not being noticed is a good thing because nobody will think me scummy, but etc etc etc.
I would make an attack with reasons as questionable as possible, but ditto etc.

So you're insinuating that I'm lazy scum. When was the last time you saw me be lazy, town or scum?

Besides now?
Well, in FHPBYOR, as town you were reasonably active, and reasonably not-lazy.
However, in Super7, you were scum. You voted yourself, you actually got accused of having a role where you can lay on your ass, and frequently appologized for not posting, or preteneded to have been not paying attention when something (like your lack of vote) was brought to attention. Much as you are playing now, but without the "lazy bum" role.
You replaced into Choose-Your-Own, were scum, and got put up for damn replacement, because of being too lazy to post.

So you are not lazy as TOWN. However, your lazy dial gets turned way up when scum.

Really. Why do scum not want to put effort into the game? Shouldn't they be the ones who want to put the most effort into the game since they have to fool everyone else?

Scum already know they are scum, they are already informed. If they don't do anything that lets someone know that they are scum, then they can win by blending in to the uninformed.
Basically, if they do too much, they wind up revealing that they know something. Which leads to them being encouraged not to do too much, which leads to doing less, which leads to doing as less as possible.
The most efficient use of a scum's time is letting everyone else bicker about something else while they bide their time. Which also encourages them to lurk, which encourages them to be lazy.

its just that usually (especially when I'm scum) I make a lot of effort to participate in RVS.

Or, as I noticed in Super7 and CYOM, at all as scum.

Stop sounding like a politician and answer the question please.

I am attacking you agressively because it's something I believed might work. It's right after the extension because, since you all extended the day and I'm fed up with extensions going to waste, I wanted to make the best of it and form some cases.
The sentence my vote was attached to was not a "snide remark", a snide remark would have had some level of sarcasm in it.
And I didn't wait until after work because I didn't have to wait. I don't have anybody to wait on. The only thing holding me back is myself. As opposed to having a scum-buddy who's oppinion you want on a strategy, or on who to vote; I assume that's also part of why it takes you so long between posts.

Actually if they're on the same team, they win together. So both would win or both would lose. Why do you think Deathsword and NQT are on different teams? The most likely scenario is they are both town.

There are three cases:
They are both town.
They are both scum.
They are on opposite teams.

I said I was aware of the first two cases, and that taking those into account only evens the odds by making them both equally more likely to win and equally less likely to win.
I never said that Deathsword and NQT have to be on different teams, I was asking that in the event that they are, which one is more likely to win.
Also, that question was directed to Scripten. I finished talking to you at the [ hr ] bar.

Flabort

NQT: Yes, at this stage, I am becoming increasingly convinced that Persus is the best fit for scum. Do you think that Worldmaster is the best fit for scum?

I'm waiting on Worldmaster's response to me before I make any firm conclusions regarding his scumminess. Who do you think has received the least attention today? 

So you're still in RVS mode, but at least you're participating.
The least attention has been given to either Deathsword, or UI.

What is, in your opinion, the strongest kind of scumtell on day 1?

Ask me this again on Day 2. If I tell you now, scum may change their behaviour accordingly.

Fair enough. I will hold you to that, and await your answer on day 2.
Although if somebody altered their behavior in response to that, it could possibly be enough of a change to notice.

--Reads--

Scripten, I appreciate your reads, and I appreciate that I warrent your attention.
But wasn't it you who said

Day 1 reads are usually crap.

and

Day 1 reads are usually not too accurate. Sometimes a really good player can start suspecting the scumteam by the first lynch, but it's pretty rare.

I don't mind that you're voting me, I just want to know how much you trust your own reads at this point.

TDS

It's a list of playstyles, not reads. If you want reads, ask for reads.

Sure sure, I didn't ask for reads. But you're somewhat side-stepping the issue here. Are you intending to try and lynch scum before the end of this day?

Yes. There's still a lot of time left (till Monday), so I'll look over stuff. By the way, why aren't you questioning Worldmaster for his lack of voting?

Do you mind if I ask for reads from you, TheDarkStar? It sounds like you're starting to form opinions of who might be scummy, and you're definitely paying attention.
As far as looking over stuff, NotQuiteThere, are you able to go over the thread again and let us know if anything suspicious comes to mind?

[Varee]

I dont really understand the more experience players..... they seem to like to ask each other what they think and relying on that info to work on ..... that you NQT and Flabort, maybe you guys should trust each other a little bit less, or maybe i am paraniod.....


NQT: I dont think I should answer your question now for the same reason you didnt answer flabort, If you reveal your plan it is easier to avoid.


for now Deathsword need to talk a bit more I say... I keep confusing him with TDS ......

[Scripten]

--Reads--

Scripten, I appreciate your reads, and I appreciate that I warrent your attention.
But wasn't it you who said

Day 1 reads are usually crap.

and

Day 1 reads are usually not too accurate. Sometimes a really good player can start suspecting the scumteam by the first lynch, but it's pretty rare.

I don't mind that you're voting me, I just want to know how much you trust your own reads at this point.

Flabort, do you realize how insanely suspicious this line of discussion is? Someone needs to be lynched Day 1, regardless of how good anyone's reads are. Oftentimes, it's town that gets lynched, because it's tough to sniff out scum on the first day, but that flip is still very important.

[flabort]

I'm just saying it's somewhat hypocritical, scripten, to say that day 1 reads are nigh useless, and then be the first to post day 1 reads (the earlier ones were described as play styles, and not reads, so they don't count).
Among the other things I expect from other players, it's consistency.

Varee, Scripten, Persus Oh how Ironic that my top three suspects at the moment were the ones who extended. I expect you guys to actually make use of this extension to it's full potential, so my vote will be on whichever one of you was the least recent one to post. Currently, that's... Persus. As soon as you post, of course, this means my vote will move to scripten or varee.
To kick of the conversation, what is your three's reaction to this decision?
Next, which of you three is most scummy? least scummy?
Next, which player who is NOT one of you three is most scummy? least scummy?

Deathsword You said you would post by now, "in a few hours" from your last post. Well, where is your post?

[Jack A T]

Votecount:
*TheDarkStar - Deathsword (1)
*Scripten - (0)
*Urist Imiknorris - (0)
*flabort - Persus13, Scripten (1)
*notquitethere - (0)
*Varee - Urist Imiknorris (1)
*Persus13 - flabort (1)
*Worldmaster27 - notquitethere (1)
*Deathsword - Varee (1)
Not voting: Worldmaster27, TheDarkStar

Extension requests: (0/3)
Shorten requests: (0/5)

Worldmaster27 has been prodded, having been inactive for over 48 non-weekend hours.

Day ends Monday, Oct. 27th, at 9:30 PM PST.

[Persus13]

Jack A T: Scripten is currently voting for Flabort as of 5 posts above your votecount.

Large post incoming.

[Jack A T]

Jack A T: Scripten is currently voting for Flabort as of 5 posts above your votecount.

Correction made.  Thanks.

[Persus13]

Varee: If you had a day inspect, who would you use it on right now? Do you feel that Deathsword should be lynched today?

NQT:

Persus

No, I would likely use my vote for pressure or to vote someone I find scummy but don't have a full case on to break a tie, if necessary. What do you assume about the scum?

I see, and is your vote on Flabort just pressure, or would you call it a proper case? Is Flabort the best fit for scum? I assume that the scum team will probably look to kill the most competent player tonight. If I'm doing my job right, I might not be alive tomorrow.

I would call more pressure than anything else. Flabort currently is the player is the scummiest, but that's mainly because his case is ridiculous, the only other that seems scummy to be is getting on Scripten for giving reads when I asked him for them. Does flabort fit scum? Yes, his behavior fits my profile of aggressive scum almost perfectly. His acting like a politician (dodging a few of my questions, rhetoric, overusage of metaphors, speech making himself out to be great at scumhunting and being a good town player) also seems more like a scum player then a town player.

I hope you will be alive tomorrow, I'll have a few questions for you that I don't want to ask till then.

TDS:

It's a list of playstyles, not reads. If you want reads, ask for reads.

I'm willing to ask you for reads?

why aren't you [NQT] questioning Worldmaster for his lack of voting?

Why do you want NQT to do this instead of just asking him yourself (unless you already did that and I missed it)?

Scripten:

flabort - Wee bit scummy, but it's hard to tell considering his usual play.

Why do you feel flabort is scummy?

Worldmaster27 - Good for a newbie. Nothing REALLY sticks out. Maybe slight scum for some of his answers. Mostly null.

Why do you feel world is slightly scummy?

Deathsword - Quiet as usual. So far he lines up with the town play I remember. Like TheDarkStar in many ways. We'll have to see.

All that from one post?

Flabort:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Are you (or were you) satisfied with a Varee lynch? If yes, why didn't you extend if you were concerned about the other lynch votes being random, if no, why didn't you unvote or extend?

Asking the same question, I assume this means that I did not answer to your satisfaction.
Short answer: Yes, I was satisfied, but less so than I would be with your lynch.
I did not extend because I did not think to. I tend to assume that extensions tend to go unused, so are not really worth it. And looking at most of the games I've played in recently, this is true; despite some efforts to converse after an extend, usually the town lynched the same person anyways.
So I'm used to an extend not being worth it, so I didn't think about doing that.

Well given that you went into detailing your attitude towards Varee instead of talking about extensions or lynching, I would say yes, you didn't answer the question at all.
You really didn't want to extend even though we were mostly still in RVS (With the exception of your vote on Varee)?

If the bolded part were true, you'd have a point. How does me voting someone with a question at the start of the game help me find scum better then me just asking a question? How does an unvote count as a scumhunting action in your book?

By pinning a vote to your question, during what I will remind you again is called the "random VOTING stage" (or do you use the V in RVS for something else?), then it becomes a pointed question. A question without a point is like a twig; useless in battle. A question with a point becomes an arrow, that forces the player to answer and creates more discussion than a twig.

Stop with the dumb metaphors. They don't make you look more intelligent. A twig with a piece of metal attached to it is not an arrow. So you attach a vote to a question firing it off at some at random during the RVS. Guess what? That person knows your vote was random, knows you will likely unvote after you answer their question. And if you vote them for real, then they might brush it off as an RVS vote. The power of your vote is completely gone. So your RVS that you suddenly value extremely highly is pointless (pardon the pun). Asking someone a question with or without an RVS has no effect unless their new and don't understand the RVS stage. And that causes another set of problems.

What. part. of. I. wasn't. available. at. day. start. for 24. hours. doesn't. register?

The part where I don't believe it. You've always been an active player, compared to some others I could mention, and though you don't spam posts, you are usually active early.

So, you're attacking me for not being here for RL reasons. Nice. You should be glad Tiruin isn't in this game, because she'd be frying you for that. Attacking people who are absent for RL reasons is considered something you do not do in Mafia. As for the I've always been an active player, I'd agree. So therefore the fact I wasn't here for about a day of the game shouldn't mean "I'm scum", it should mean "I'm unusually busy on a day."

How does one post at the start of the game when there is nothing to work with mean more content then multiple posts later on in the day?

Considering the number of questions he answered and the number you answered in those respective posts appear to be the same? And he included actual content instead of fluff in his answers?
How about the fact that he didn't have three identical answers?

Overall I have answered and asked more questions then deathsword has. But that doesn't matter. What matters is that there is discussion and that there is followup when you initiate a dialogue. How many of Deathsword's 4 questions has he followed up How is being there for RVS somehow better then being there later on in D1, when there is actually content and discussion going on?

How could you take a question that goes "Are you being serious about this or are you joking?" to be a joke?

Did you seriously not get that it WAS a joke? Did you really NEED to ask about it?

A typographical error is where you misspell or type a word or letter. I was pretty sure it was a joke, but Varee's joke question to himself was something I dismissed as unimportant so I didn't realize the context for UI's joke. I wanted to make sure that UI hadn't missed the fact he'd made a typo and so asked him about the question.

And that makes me scum because....

Because it's not content! It's not your oppinion! It's complete fluff, words taking general truths and expanding them to take up space.
It's filler. Stuffing.
Instead of being honest and answering, you just pack us with cotton and pull the wool over our eyes.

Newsflash: Opinions tend to be based on truth. If you write an op-ed, you better have facts to back up your opinion. You asked me my stance on liars, and I said that I don't believe that all liars should be lynched like some people, and then back it up with facts. If you wanted more, you could have asked. Instead, you dropped it and then suddenly brought it up again when I started defending against your lurker accusation. If you weren't originally satisfied with my answer you would have continued to ask me about it.

Also also, the I lurk parts were a joke. I thought that came across, but I guess I was wrong.

Says the guy who can't tell if a question asked to oneself is a joke.

I got that joke.

Come up with good reasons why I'm scum.

I would answer with "I'll do it later", but I don't want to copy you.

And I said this when?

I would sugar coat my answer with global truths that aren't specific to this case, but I don't want to copy you.

Like when?

I would quote the mafia wikis and dress them as my opinions, but I don't want to copy you.

Like when?

I would OMGUS in response to what I saw as a weak case, but I don't want to copy you. Seriously, your case is that my case is weak.

My case is that your scum who is trying to come up with someone to lynch today, settled on me for a dumb reason, and when I shot down your reasons as crap, you decided it would scummy if you backed off and stuck fast. Because you're behaving like one.

I would assume that my attention will be entirely taken up by your answers and questions, but I don't want to copy you.

Really, because you look like you're copying me.

I would ignore other cases that are forming in favor of tunneling you, but I don't want to copy you.

Just because you can't see my other cases, doesn't mean they aren't there.

I would accuse you of not thinking something through, but you get the picture.

Like when?

I would assume that if I ended the conversation as fast as possible nobody would ask me more questions and notice me, but etc.

Like when.

I would assume that not being noticed is a good thing because nobody will think me scummy, but etc etc etc.

You really think I'm trying to not get noticed? I wouldn't be posting Wall of Texts saying your case is wrong if I was.

I would make an attack with reasons as questionable as possible, but ditto etc.

Like when?

I said come up with good reasons.

So you're insinuating that I'm lazy scum. When was the last time you saw me be lazy, town or scum?

Besides now?
Well, in FHPBYOR, as town you were reasonably active, and reasonably not-lazy.
However, in Super7, you were scum. You voted yourself, you actually got accused of having a role where you can lay on your ass, and frequently appologized for not posting, or preteneded to have been not paying attention when something (like your lack of vote) was brought to attention. Much as you are playing now, but without the "lazy bum" role.
You replaced into Choose-Your-Own, were scum, and got put up for damn replacement, because of being too lazy to post.

Lurking and laziness aren't the same thing.
Well-done, you've done your research. Problems. Both games I lurked when everyone else already knew I was scum and I didn't see how I could get out of the mess. Also, I've lurked a lot more on Bay12Forums in general over the past 6 months or so. Finally, FHPBYOR started at the end of summer and took place during the easiest part of the school year, the other games took place during times I was really busy.
I'll agree that I lurk more when scum. But using meta doesn't always work because I would be absent for plenty of other reasons. And did your research tell you how much I lurked early on in game?
Your memory of my actions in Super7 is very different from mine. When did I vote myself, where did I get accused of having a lazy role, and where did I pretend to not pay attention to something? And, why is all that relevant? That's not scumhunting, that's character assassination.

Really. Why do scum not want to put effort into the game? Shouldn't they be the ones who want to put the most effort into the game since they have to fool everyone else?

Scum already know they are scum, they are already informed. If they don't do anything that lets someone know that they are scum, then they can win by blending in to the uninformed.
Basically, if they do too much, they wind up revealing that they know something. Which leads to them being encouraged not to do too much, which leads to doing less, which leads to doing as less as possible.
The most efficient use of a scum's time is letting everyone else bicker about something else while they bide their time. Which also encourages them to lurk, which encourages them to be lazy.

Except blending in doesn't equal being lazy. Blending in requires a lot of work. Scum are living a lie, and doing that requires a large amount of work to sustain the lie and keep town from realizing the lie. Yes if they do too much town will be onto it, but so is doing too little. Scum can be lazy, but I rarely see lazy scum. Because being scum requires work, and when they can't do that work, they usually ask for a replacement. Like town, except lazy town don't often get replaced. I have seen lazy town far, far more then I have seen lazy scum.

its just that usually (especially when I'm scum) I make a lot of effort to participate in RVS.

Or, as I noticed in Super7 and CYOM, at all as scum.

Not sure what his is doing here, as it just proves my point.

Stop sounding like a politician and answer the question please.

I am attacking you agressively because it's something I believed might work. It's right after the extension because, since you all extended the day and I'm fed up with extensions going to waste, I wanted to make the best of it and form some cases.

Day 1 extensions rarely go to waste. And you're still claiming you would have been satisfied with the day ending the way it was before the extension went through?

The sentence my vote was attached to was not a "snide remark", a snide remark would have had some level of sarcasm in it.
And I didn't wait until after work because I didn't have to wait. I don't have anybody to wait on. The only thing holding me back is myself

Patience is a virtue. Well, to an extent. The fact remains that instead of waiting to have more evidence, or promising more later, you put a lynch vote on me with a single sentence to back you up.

As opposed to having a scum-buddy who's oppinion you want on a strategy, or on who to vote; I assume that's also part of why it takes you so long between posts.

Or I could have a life outside of the Mafia sub-forum. If you're going to insinuate that I have a scumbuddy, how about you make sure that the remark actually fits how I or scum in general on this forum behave in the scumchat.

Also, that question was directed to Scripten. I finished talking to you at the [ hr ] bar.

I was well aware. I can ask or talk to you about things that aren't directed to me.

Like this:

I'm just saying it's somewhat hypocritical, scripten, to say that day 1 reads are nigh useless, and then be the first to post day 1 reads (the earlier ones were described as play styles, and not reads, so they don't count).
Among the other things I expect from other players, it's consistency.

I specifically asked Scripten if he felt like he could provide reads. He felt like he could, even though his reads are pretty sparse.

Varee, Scripten, Persus Oh how Ironic that my top three suspects at the moment were the ones who extended. I expect you guys to actually make use of this extension to it's full potential, so my vote will be on whichever one of you was the least recent one to post.

Given how you, Varee, and Scripten seem to be the most active recently, I find this to be dumb.

Currently, that's... Persus. As soon as you post, of course, this means my vote will move to scripten or varee.
To kick of the conversation, what is your three's reaction to this decision?
Next, which of you three is most scummy? least scummy?
Next, which player who is NOT one of you three is most scummy? least scummy?

As stated above, it's dumb because I think the extension is being used rather well. Extending is more important than you think, especially when there isn't a consensus among the town, which there wasn't. While I do agree with NQT that sometimes extensions drag things out too much, Mafia is a race against time. Prolonging that time is generally good.
Scummiest of the three of us? Probably Varee for making little effort to scumhunt, which is sadly par for the course. However, he is actually voting, which is good and I hope he'll contribute more.
Least scummiest? Me. I know I'm town. YOu really had to ask this question?
Scummiest of the other players? You, for reasons that I've stated several times by now. After that, probably Worldmaster, or UI, as Worldmaster didn't vote me when he said I was his top suspect, while UI I haven't seen much from in terms of solid content.
Least scummiest? Definitely NQT, his posts all have been solid, and he's pretty engaged.

[flabort]

As promised, I will now Unvote, and Vote Varee.

Persus, we are really asking eachother way too many questions. I found myself skimming your reply; this is bad for both of us, because I might wind up not answering all your questions, and... uh... hmm. Well, that's bad for me because I can't properly concentrate on the game.

Anyways, more later if you want, but for now say that I withdraw the lurking bit, and the rest of the whole "you're being lazy this game" bit. And answer a couple of your questions:

No, I didn't want an extension, because extensions drag the game out with nothing happening. It's the reason that Oobles didn't want to play BM50, because it makes the game too long. It's the reason I get fed up and start lashing out at people, because it makes the DAY too long. Who's idea was it to make extensions 48 hours instead of 24, anyways? At this point, perceptions are getting garbled, patience is wearing thin, and conversation is once again slowing down; we're sliding back and you're drawing RVS out by extending.

I accidentally dropped the word "not" when I was saying that you participated "at all" in RVS as scum for Super7/CYOM. Whoops. Anyways, my point about you being lazy is withdrawn anyways.

Yes, I really had to ask who's least scummy, even though the answer was you, because when I ask two similar questions and one has it's mirror opposite attached, then the other has to have it's mirror opposite attached too. Call it OCD.

And since you mention it, why did you want reads from Scripten? Why not someone who puts more value into day 1 reads?

[Teneb]

Turns out I ended up being without internet connection at home yesterday. A lot of bickering with the internet company later, here I am. Unvote

Deathsword: When should you reveal yourself as a jailor?

Only if someone fakeclaimed jailor. Otherwise, never. There is no reason to claim jailor otherwise, as it gives you a huge PLEASE NIGHTKILL ME! sign.

Deathsword: What is your favorite part about Mafia?

The tension just before a roleflip, especially as town, when you see whether or not you fucked up with the lynch.

Deathsword

Do you foresee the game being won on the back of the cop/jailkeeper, or do you think traditional scum hunting will win the day?

I am aware of the irony of this answer, but I think it'll end up with scumhunting carrying the day. There is only so much the power roles can do, especially if they are killed early.

Deathsword While you did have an earlier start than Persus, he does have a small point in that he is starting to get ahead of you in post count, and if this continues, maybe content. Where are you? And more importantly, which is better: to ask a few good questions, or a LARGE number of bad questions?

Good questions. Always. Bad questions are just that. Bad. A large number of them doesn't make them stink any less.

I dont really understand the more experience players..... they seem to like to ask each other what they think and relying on that info to work on ..... that you NQT and Flabort, maybe you guys should trust each other a little bit less, or maybe i am paraniod.....

Are you implying they are buddying? If so, could state that outright? Why are you afraid of saying that, instead relying on merely implying it?

NQT: I dont think I should answer your question now for the same reason you didnt answer flabort, If you reveal your plan it is easier to avoid.

First: seriously, quote the questions or text or whatever you are talking about.
Second: How the fuck does this:

In the games you've played before do you think you should have been able to work out who the scum were in hindsight?

have anything to do with a game plan? Are you planning to imitate the scum of games past?

for now Deathsword need to talk a bit more I say... I keep confusing him with TDS ......

How can you even confuse me with TDS? Furthermore, if you think NQT and Flarbot are buddying, why vote a lurker instead? Why not press that point while we are at it, Varee?

Now I am off to prepare myself for the horror that is tomorrow's presidential election with biometry (and the fact that the biometry system is shit).

[Scripten]

Flabort:

I'm just saying it's somewhat hypocritical, scripten, to say that day 1 reads are nigh useless, and then be the first to post day 1 reads (the earlier ones were described as play styles, and not reads, so they don't count).
Among the other things I expect from other players, it's consistency.

Not hypocritical. Just because my reads may (probably are) wrong doesn't mean I shouldn't post them so as to improve them by interacting with people. Just the fact that I've posted my reads has spurred conversation, which is good for moving the game state forward.

Persus13:

Scripten:

flabort - Wee bit scummy, but it's hard to tell considering his usual play.

Why do you feel flabort is scummy?

Considering you've answered this question yourself in this post, my answer is obviously going to be biased. However, I agree that he is answering questions in a dodgy manner consistent with scum. While he may be changing his playstyle in light of it not working, his activity is the most scummy at this point in the game. I find his pushes to be scum-motivated, as he is concentrating on people who would be easier to lynch this early in the game as opposed to later. (Notably, his insistence that me finding Day 1 reads to be often erroneous makes me posting my reads now to be hypocritical, when it obviously is not.) Intellectual dishonesty is a fairly good scumtell.

Worldmaster27 - Good for a newbie. Nothing REALLY sticks out. Maybe slight scum for some of his answers. Mostly null.

Why do you feel world is slightly scummy?

Excusing any "unintentional" scumslips due to newbieness. We know he's a newbie, so why bother mentioning it? Again, it's a slight scumread and will evolve with time.

Deathsword - Quiet as usual. So far he lines up with the town play I remember. Like TheDarkStar in many ways. We'll have to see.

All that from one post?

Yep. This is precisely how town-Deathsword played as an IC in our newbie game together. Sadly, my early reads are mostly meta. This read may (probably will) change in time.

[Varee]

My activity level is much of a tell either way, i may be posting alot but i just drop by often but didnt really have much time to read all the other posts.


@flabort, so you want me to rank the three players from scummiest to not scummiest? What would be a reason why you would put yourself at least scummiest as it is the only certain information you have as of now?  My pick would be persus though, he seem to be talking to you a lot but not much more.  As for other picks, i wont rule anyone as not scummy as of yet.  Scripten read strike me as a little weird but i have a feeling i do that sometime so i will just let it slide for now.  As of how i think of the voting method, i say it might be quiet effective at applying pressure but that solely depend on how much you want to change you vote around, it can kind of force player to be more active. The third question will have to wait a bit though....


@Deathsword, almost missed you post, the quote screw up. I dont mean that they are buddying, if they are it a little too dumb and way to obvious for an experience player. My answer is that if I say what i will be doing , it will be way harder to do so i will hold on that for now. I explicitly stated that quoting big post are a pain in the ass when you are doing it on a phone so..... You are just forcing world in my mouth and voting me of it for that reason so why dont you come up with a good reason why you did that?


@Persus, if i have a day inspect, I would throw it at either NQT or flabort, i feel it much more useful in early state of the game to find some active player you can trust on instead of throwing it at random lurker and hope they are intentionally lurking.