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Comrade Shamrock

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« Reply #60 on: August 21, 2014, 03:36:14 pm »

... Rereading, apparently the jailer can use their power multiple times... Oh.
True, but it would narrow it down to the one remaining person... And then you block the real scum the next night... Still wins with only one non-scum killed. And I doubt it matters if they know you are the jailer at that point, because you win anyways.
There is also a major hole in your logic. I don't think you are told whether you blocked the activity of the one jailed or blocked the incoming kill. So you are left none the wiser and you just pushed it to another day. For the certainty you are looking for you would have to be the doctor.

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« Reply #61 on: August 21, 2014, 03:43:23 pm »

... Rereading, apparently the jailer can use their power multiple times... Oh.
True, but it would narrow it down to the one remaining person... And then you block the real scum the next night... Still wins with only one non-scum killed. And I doubt it matters if they know you are the jailer at that point, because you win anyways.
There is also a major hole in your logic. I don't think you are told whether you blocked the activity of the one jailed or blocked the incoming kill. So you are left none the wiser and you just pushed it to another day. For the certainty you are looking for you would have to be the doctor.

Okay, I see. For some reason I was thinking with only three people. Ignore that.
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« Reply #62 on: August 21, 2014, 03:44:04 pm »

TheDarkStar: I have yet to play an actual game of mafia, so I'm not sure what would be the best scumtell. That said, I think that an important one and a good give away would be band-wagoning. It's fine to vote for someone if there is lots of evidence against them and/or one party has a good argument; it's another thing when there's only a couple of pressure votes and a player throws his/her vote in but doesn't contribute much as to why they voted the way they did.

That's my view, anyways.

Comrade Shamrock: I would prefer jailor, it's a powerful combination of roles. It is practically the doc and an escort/other roleblocker combined (if I'm reading this right); it is, however, a double edged blade. A jailor could prevent the cop from inspecting someone at night. I do think that it is a risk worth taking though.

Anywho, some questions:
MNII: What's your experience with mafia? Have you ever indirectly caused your side to lose? If so, how?

TheDarkStar: If you were, say, scum, and you knew who the doc and cop were, who would you kill first? Which is a more of a threat to you?

Krevsin: What do you think of D1 lynching? Is it more beneficial to the town or the mafia?

Comrade Shamrock: I'd also like to know your opinion on D1 lynching.

Cptn: To reiterated what TheDarkStar asked me, what do you think is the most important scumtell to look out for?

Silthuri and Nerjin:
What are you both respectively looking out for when you look for scum? Is it hard for you to differentiate between newbie flailing and scum slipups, or is it obvious?
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Comrade Shamrock

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« Reply #63 on: August 21, 2014, 03:49:34 pm »

Worldmaster27:
I think D1 lynching is a good idea. It lowers the potential suspect pool and makes it more likely to get the scum the next day. It is probably the day in which the most slips fall as there is less pressure so they feel safe and more likely to be sloppy.

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« Reply #64 on: August 21, 2014, 03:52:11 pm »

I guess I should question someone?

AleeCat what is your favourite colour?
Erm... green? Is there a wrong answer?

MNiI: Who do you think is the most likely scum?

Cptn Kaladin Anrizlokum

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« Reply #65 on: August 21, 2014, 03:55:01 pm »

Cptn: To reiterated what TheDarkStar asked me, what do you think is the most important scumtell to look out for?

Well, having played games like Mafia a bit with my family, an accidental confession is usually a good indicator. I hope that won't happen here though.
Trying Too Hard To Appear Townie is one that I have seen inexperienced scum do a lot, and it really gives them away. But, I'm not sure how easy it is to see that online...
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« Reply #66 on: August 21, 2014, 03:58:42 pm »

MNII: To expound on what I said, have you also ever directly caused your side to lose?
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« Reply #67 on: August 21, 2014, 04:29:53 pm »

MNII: What's your experience with mafia? Have you ever indirectly caused your side to lose? If so, how?
I've played a few games with friends. I'd guess at a total of 25 rounds as a liberal estimate. 15 is conservative.
I don't remember any time we lost because of my actions. There was one time that it was very close.
I was detective/role inspector, with two mafia and a handful of town left. A mafia came out as detective, so I had to also, to ensure they couldn't lead the lynching effort. I hesitated, so some suspicion was thrown on me. I can't remember if we did a no lynch or killed a town, but they killed a town, and then I read the mafia that said they were detective. That was a bad move, since I should have read another for mafia. However, we took a chance and got lucky, lynching a mafia. We won that game.
MNiI: Who do you think is the most likely scum?
I'd like to answer that question later, once I've seen more talking.
MNII: To expound on what I said, have you also ever directly caused your side to lose?
No.

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« Reply #68 on: August 21, 2014, 05:00:27 pm »

TheDarkStar: I have yet to play an actual game of mafia, so I'm not sure what would be the best scumtell. That said, I think that an important one and a good give away would be band-wagoning. It's fine to vote for someone if there is lots of evidence against them and/or one party has a good argument; it's another thing when there's only a couple of pressure votes and a player throws his/her vote in but doesn't contribute much as to why they voted the way they did.

TheDarkStar: If you were, say, scum, and you knew who the doc and cop were, who would you kill first? Which is a more of a threat to you?

I partially agree with your answer. In my experience, a bandwagon can (and almost always does) happen every time - it's rare to see at least one person from the mafia not voting for someone who has lots of other votes. You see it much more often when there is a case rather than when there isn't, too.

I'd kill the cop first if he wasn't being protected by the doc, since the cop can figure out who I am quickly while everyone else can't. Doctors can be avoided much more easily than cops, too - the doctor targeting you is always good, but mafia don't want the role cop targeting them.
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« Reply #69 on: August 21, 2014, 06:07:41 pm »

Hello everyone and welcome to Mafia! As your IC, I will be occasionally giving you advice. While I am also a player in the game trying to win, anything said in teal is genuine advice and can be trusted. I will not lie to you in teal, even if it costs me the game. Some of my advice may be based on my opinion and how I play the game. You are free to ignore this if you don't think it suits you.


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Silthuri:
If you can't find anyone who is scummy by the end of Day 1, should you no-lynch? Why/why not?
I personally would not No Lynch. The lynch is town's main weapon. Deaths, even if they're town, are useful. Or at the very least more than a No Lynch would. No Lynch D1 is also frowned upon because scum is basically getting a free Night Kill and you can't count on the scum killing someone who will provide information. Town will be no further the next Day without a lynch.


Shamrock:
Silthuri and Nerjin
Is there any less common scumtells not covered in the OP to help us find scum? I'd like to be prepared in case we have IC scummery.
Hmm... flailing. By that I mean rapidly changing focuses. Throwing one's vote around (not necessarily a tell in RVS). Panicking, being a bit too defensive, buddying with another player, excessive WIFOM (see OP).


Worldmaster:
Silthuri and Nerjin:
What are you both respectively looking out for when you look for scum? Is it hard for you to differentiate between newbie flailing and scum slipups, or is it obvious?
I look for scumtells, of course, but I also look for people who seem to be acting oddly. Most of the time, this is just a gut feeling, but it can be useful nonetheless. It's very hard to differentiate between a newbtell and a scumtell, as many of the scumtells are newbtells as well.


I'll try to post a few questions sometime tomorrow. 
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« Reply #70 on: August 22, 2014, 12:19:34 am »

Krevsin:

I guess I should question someone?

AleeCat what is your favourite colour?

Why did you ask a question that won't give any useful information?
Because I am a massive noob and have never played a Mafia game.

Krevsin: What do you think of D1 lynching? Is it more beneficial to the town or the mafia?
Speaking statistically, if it is a random lynch, there is a greater chance of it being beneficial to the mafia because there is a greater number of town players. As such, there is a greater chance of picking a town player and thus benefiting the mafia.

However, it also reveals some much needed information to the town.

I don't really have the experience to claim this with certainty, but I guess that it's beneficial to the town.

I guess I should question someone?

AleeCat what is your favourite colour?
Erm... green? Is there a wrong answer?
Not really, it was a stupid question anyway.  :P

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Comrade Shamrock

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« Reply #71 on: August 22, 2014, 11:33:55 am »

DarkStar:
Don't forget my question.

Krevsin:
Don't forget that heads more experienced than us have seen the need for a D1 lynch. It may be beneficial to the scum in the short term but is more beneficial to town in the long run. Less suspects D2, a persons reasoning and allows analysis of voting patterns which is the opposite of a NK we're provided no reasoning. The increased number of confirmed town allow more insight in how others interacted with them.

Immaterial:
It is Lylo and there is you, a lurker and the leading scumhunter. Both are claiming cop and both are claiming each other are guilty. Who do you vote for?

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« Reply #72 on: August 22, 2014, 04:11:15 pm »

TheDarkStar:
Comrade Shamrock:

If you were the cop, would you check the person who wasn't doing much or the person who was leading scumhunting?

I would be torn between the two. I wouldn't want a scum to be leading the scumhunt. But also their larger number of posts would present an easier read and is more likely to be town. But the one who wasn't doing much could be a scum who is lurking. So, I would probably check the one who wasn't doing much unless I had very strong suspicions of the scumhunter and wanted to confirm.

Same question to you.

If I thought someone seemed scummy, I'd target them no matter their activity. If no one seemed scummy, though, I'd check the less active person because, as you said, there's a lot of evidence for the person who is active.
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« Reply #73 on: August 22, 2014, 07:11:20 pm »

Immaterial:
It is Lylo and there is you, a lurker and the leading scumhunter. Both are claiming cop and both are claiming each other are guilty. Who do you vote for?
If it's a BM game, Scumhunter. Sounds like the "Trying too hard to be town" to me.

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« Reply #74 on: August 23, 2014, 01:04:15 pm »

Huh... I thought I was shooting myself in the foot by not posting yesterday, but it looks like the thread has slowed down dramatically.

P.S. Please excuse any horrible typos. I'm currently recovering from surgery and have an arm in a splint.
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