Shahada and Tawhid are not identical, it's the whole reason for the different meanings of Imams in Sunnism and Shiite religion. Meaning here, means everything.
Not identical in details but identical in meaning, and yes, that shared meaning and added detail is the basis for the difference between one Islamic branch versus another Islamic branch. the difference between the Alawite Shahada and both the Sunni and Shia's Shahada is the difference between two religions, not sects. having Ali as god, incarnated or not, Emanated or not, it doesn't matter, its the entire difference between Islam and Non-Islam. they literally call god by a different name. how anybody can think two religions are the same even if they pray to different gods is beyond me.
You quoted the Sunni pillars of Islam and said they're identical to the Shiite Principles. If you were being honest, you would've posted the Shiite principles, and you would've also noted the Nusayri hold onto the pillars in addition to their exegetic tradition that does not hold scripture literally as fundamentalists do and add spiritualism to it. The Hajj is not just a physical journey from one place to another, for them it is as much a spiritual journey from a place of one understanding to a higher one. There are similarities, but the differences are the reason why Sunni and Shiite are not both Sunni or both Shiite, why Alawite are not Twelver. That is before even taking into account the different prescriptions and emphasis on the Sunni pillars vs the Shiite principles and the sect differences. So far you have demonstrated that Alawites are not Sunni, which is besides the point, because they are not Sunni. If we are to believe you, then the Zaidiyyah, the Ismali - heck, even the Twelvers would be non-Muslims, which is completely ludicrous. And they don't contradict the first principle, and if you haven't taken care, you will learn that the meaning of words prescribe beliefs which are at the core of the interstrife, you are yet to demonstrate so without resorting to comparisons to polytheists when they're clearly monotheists who believe in one God. If this discussion is not interesting enough for you, why did you start it by posting lies in a politics thread? This was not an academic point of interest, you posted this in the politics thread to alter the political discourse. Now the big question is why would you have any motive to reduce sympathy for Alawites by declaring them non-Muslim polytheists in a politics thread when the topic is Alawites fighting a life or death struggle against Salafists who use the line that they're non-Muslim polytheists to justify ethnically cleansing them? You either cared so little about your words that you unthinkingly reposted ISIS propaganda from /pol/ or you are actually being malevolent here, my faith in humanity leads me to believe it's the former.
I never quoted the Sunni pillars.
i quoted the Shia pillars/roots, go back to the beginning of our discussion and see for yourself. i called them the Twelvers pillars but they are the Shia prinicples. i never bothered to quote the Sunni pillars or confront the Alawite believes with Sunni because nobody thinks the Alawites are Sunni. it would almost be like wasting time comparing the Alawites to buddhists to try and prove they are not Shiites.
Lecture me all day if you actually know what you're talking about, but by your own admission you don't give a crap about the topic and you don't know the basic differences between even Sunni and Shiite, let alone between the sects of Shiite Islam. The Alawite triad is not the same as having three Gods, it is not even the same to the Christian Trinity. It is the emanation of one God, it is divinity that originates from one God. That you're using Sunni mainstream Orthodoxy to attack a sect within the Shiite branch already has alarm bells ringing.
I give a crap about the subject matter, i don't give a crap about this discussion because it is not going anywhere.
I don't know the differences between Sunni and Shiite?! Heh, mate, you just tried to maintain the Shiites don't hold the Shahada, you read my quotes of Shiites principles and thought them Sunni and you think the difference between Ali as Imam and Ali as god is trivial within Islam. Seriously, you have no idea what you are talking about hence why i find this discussion tiring and redundant.
So, for the last time because i really think this had ran its course, Muslims, both the Shia and the Sunni do not accept
any form of divine incarnation or emanation whether you like it or not, so no, i am not using a Sunni mainstream orthodoxy to attack a sect within Shia, i am using the most important Islamic theological principle that is shared by both the Shia and the Sunni to differentiate another religion. i am not saying which is better, i am simply pointing out which is which and who is who.
I didn't post lies, i posted facts and i posted them in a political thread because these differences is what makes a lot of the Iranians treat Alawites as lesser human beings and the widely spread lack of knowledge of these differences is what makes some people think Iran is justified with interfering in Syria..
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