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[TD1]

Sure. Then do the same for boys, and you have the same issue. You are using energy and resources, which almost anywhere you look are sparse, on boys when it could be used on girls.

[Samarkand]

Sure. Then do the same for boys, and you have the same issue. You are using energy and resources, which almost anywhere you look are sparse, on boys when it could be used on girls.

I took the liberty of actually seeing what people are recommending to help girls succeed in math. This site was the first that came up in my search. Now the only recommendation which would only help girls is listed as having less support. By and large the things which help girls will help boys.

[TD1]

In that case, just improve education standards.

No need for feminism or gender to come into it.

[Cheeetar]

You assume that your assumption is correct. Unfortunately, you are still assuming things with no evidence that such a thing would happen.

Em. Yes. I have no evidence on a hypothetical situation, sorry to disappoint.

Your argument is that this situation would occur. If you're saying all hypotheticals are impossible to prove, disprove, or even be shown as more or less likely why the hell are you even using them?

[TD1]

I'm saying that should such a situation arise, the feminist movement...(etc.).

"But, were there to be a movement advocating equality for boys, it would be persecuted by feminism as being anti-feminine."

I even start off in the hypothetical.

[Samarkand]

In that case, just improve education standards.

No need for feminism or gender to come into it.

There is, but we'll ignore that momentarily. Regardless, you are the one who got obsessed with feminist educational recommendations. I'm just pointing out that they don't involve flogging young boys so the girls can be smarter, as you soared to believe. They involve recommendations to make subject matter more accessible and build confidence.

[Cheeetar]

I'm saying that should such a situation arise, the feminist movement...(etc.).

"But, were there to be a movement advocating equality for boys, it would be persecuted by feminism as being anti-feminine."

I even start off in the hypothetical.

Yes, you're being hypothetical. I clearly understood that. You need evidence to say that such a thing would happen. It is entirely possibly to provide evidence that points towards a hypothetical situation being likely.

Spoiler: Definition of Evidence (click to show/hide)

evidence
ˈɛvɪd(ə)ns/
noun
noun: evidence

    1.
    the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

[TD1]

Wait, what?

I'm...not obsessed with it. I just, ya know, replied post by post to your argument. I never said that feminists promote flogging young boys so girls can be smarter, either. The entire point of what I'm saying is that, were boys to get as much interest in education as women, quite a few loud feminists would disagree heartily.

I'm saying that should such a situation arise, the feminist movement...(etc.).

"But, were there to be a movement advocating equality for boys, it would be persecuted by feminism as being anti-feminine."

I even start off in the hypothetical.

Yes, you're being hypothetical. I clearly understood that. You need evidence to say that such a thing would happen. It is entirely possibly to provide evidence that points towards a hypothetical situation being likely.

Spoiler: Definition of Evidence (click to show/hide)

evidence
ˈɛvɪd(ə)ns/
noun
noun: evidence

    1.
    the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

I am going by what the feminist movement believes in, which is the furtherment of women. Whether this surpasses equality or not, as has been said, depends on the feminist. An effort to take away from this is obviously going to be met with dislike/opposition from many feminists. Take, for example, your imagined response to telling a feminist movement that the amount of women teachers were being cut down, because there were too many women in the teaching profession to cater appropriately for young boys.

[Cheeetar]

I am going by what the feminist movement believes in, which is the furtherment of women.

And here we get to the fundamental issue, I suppose. You're wrong- this is not 'what the feminist movement believes in'.

[TD1]

Alright, then, do educate me.

[Cheeetar]

Alright, then, do educate me.

Spoiler: Definition of Feminism (google did this for me!) (click to show/hide)

feminism
ˈfɛmɪnɪz(ə)m/
noun
noun: feminism

    the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.

Although you could argue that it goes beyond merely advocating for equal rights, and also encompasses equal social standing.

[Samarkand]

Alright, then, do educate me.

Most of it is about deconstructing gender roles.

[TD1]

Gender roles wasn't mentioned in what Cheeetar defines as feminism, at least not as a main aspect. It is the rights of women. Hence, the furtherment of women, whether or not it is capped at anything.

[Cheeetar]

Gender roles wasn't mentioned in what Cheeetar defines as feminism, at least not as a main aspect. It is the rights of women. Hence, the furtherment of women, whether or not it is capped at anything.

I'm sorry, I don't follow. Equal social standing would mean gender roles didn't exist (if one gender has a specific role, then the genders are not equal socially).

[TD1]

Urg, yes, of course. My apologies

Well, forgetting my misinterpretation (I hope ) of Cheeetar's post, I'd have to say that that sounds good in principle. In reality, feminists do not all conform to the views expressed as that of the movement. A clear indicator being the rise of the stereotypical feminist. Unfair to many feminists, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

Also, unfortunately, numbers do not matter. It is who is louder, and who has more media coverage, and that is what defines the feminist movement to many of it supporters and opponents.

A basic enough definition that does, to me anyway, work is the futherment of women. Because that's what most feminists do agree on, that women are being mistreated in some areas, so they should be furthered along certain paths.