Extend. Day
ends in a few hours and we're hitting a major point of discussion.
Webadict: I think Jiokuy may need a replacement.
My case on Cheeetar was entirely based on his misinterpretation of Miller, and how dense he was being over the matter. Now that he's changed his mind, I don't have a case. I still suspect him with my gut, but have no case whatsoever to vote him over.
So, if you suspect him, and have for some time, and felt you didn't have enough evidence, why weren't you trying to gather more evidence and improve your read? You stopped interacting with him in the middle of the miller mess.
Flabort: Answer this.
He vanishes for over a hundred posts, he tries to correct me on the proper use of PFP (What does it matter what it stands for, it all means the same thing), accuses Imp of gaining advantage from being targeted, accuses Jack of rolefishing (Does Jack ever rolefish? I didn't think he'd be the type), and votes Persus.
Wow. You're spinning Shakerag being away between posts for
less than (post #111: 4:52 PM Aug. 7)
24 hours (Post #236: 2:27 PM Aug.
to look as bad as it can, by saying he "vanishe[d]" and emphasizing the high activity of other players in the thread during that reasonable absence. Then you take a shot at him for daring to accuse me of rolefishing, ignoring the fact that said accusation was correct. It was highly limited rolefishing, and I see it as justified by Shakerag's history of submissions meant to screw everyone over and/or screw the game up, but it was rolefishing.
Is there a reason you're spinning a non-issue to look as bad as possible and omitting an inconvenient fact that would interfere with your case?
When next he's seen
How dare Shakerag not be a weekend player!?!
I still suspect him [Cheeetar] on a gut level, so yes, scum don't stop being scum, but I have NO WAY OF PROVING THAT HE IS (Also known as a "CASE").
And? Again, why haven't you been trying to improve your read/get evidence? Why go beyond abandoning a flawed-looking case and outright abandon your suspect? Why leave him so completely that you even forgot about your vote? Why make babbling about potatoes and camping a higher-priority action than gaining information on your suspect?
TolyK: I find your contribution to the flabort wagon troubling. You
voted for flabort for his apparent effort to give away his role name. How is this scummy?
Later, you, when asked to explain your "shooting from the hip" targets (which did not include flabort), came out with this:
@jack I hipfire horribly, so those are more or less random picks. They're the names that came up after more or less re-skimming though the material.
Flabort, who I've already voted, had since taken the front scene.
...but what do you think? Why do you think he is worth your vote?
Since that post, you've taken
a few short
jabs at flabort, but have never really brought together a case against him. You're sort of sitting back on the bandwagon.
Most of my case on Flabort:
flabort, why are you giving your role name away to people (slowly but surely)?
Because it's fun.
This is obviously not a satisfactory answer, since you typically play to win as well, and this could be detrimental to that fact.
...And? What makes this scummy?
Everyone on Flabort's Case, he's engaged, he's voting people and posting: is he really the best Day 1 lynch candidate?
NQT (
Flabort should read this too): He's definitely posting, yes. It is true that he is now engaged with the game, as any reasonable player under heavy fire would be. Up until my vote for him (at which point he had 19 posts), his contributions had been a first post set of RVS questions, a little bit of Cheeetar engagement (which he abandoned quickly), and a very short Jester accusation against 4mask. While flabort says he suspected Cheeetar even after the miller stuff, flabort had completely stopped interacting with Cheeetar after
this post (the sixth of flabort's posts). (Heck, even now, he does nothing to improve his Cheeetar read) Most of flabort's posts had consisted of him babbling about potatoes and camping, and his one vote at that point was one he didn't really care about. Low-engagement play, without even awareness of where his vote was, and his high post count was largely due to him flooding the thread with potatoes.
My vote was enough, at least, to get him to take some sort of action. Unfortunately,
that action was to abandon voting for his suspect and return to RVS, complete with an RVS vote. And babble about potatoes. His later
Varee vote was a quick jump on a wagon (one already with Irony and Imp on it), largely using a chunk of Imp's reasons.
His current vote?
This beautiful bit of panicking under fire. He's accusing Shakerag of
trying to make him look scummy by asking the wrong questions. His
detailed reasons given later are a post-by-post analysis in which he tries desperately to turn any gap between posts, among other things, into evidence of scumhood.
As Nerjin correctly points out, his case has significant gaps in it as well.
Flabort, for most of the game, was doing his best Scum SaintDraze imitation: flooding the thread with posts, but contributing little. Quantity far over quality. He sat back, rambling about potatoes and answering questions, but not scumhunting. He was so unengaged with the game that he lost track of where his vote was and avoided trying to investigate his main suspect. He has only become engaged with the game under fire, and his votes are rather poor.
But whatever you do, do NOT give it to Tiruin. I love her like a student. She is my heir so to speak. However, her loyalty to America itself is in question. A 'miller' as it is called should never be given that sort of power.
Nerjin: Please explain.
Right now, I would like hear EVERYONE'S number one suspect aside from the person you are voting and why. Just to see who is who in this situation.
TolyK, for his weak participation in the Flabortwagon (see above). I do also find Silthuri's low activity off-putting (thanks, NQT, for reminding me of her), but not as much as I find TolyK's actions off-putting.
Silthuri: Do you think that Cheeetar, after losing in the miller debate, has a significant chance of success if he claims miller post-investigation?
Shakerag: You have stated that
you suspect NQT for his behaviour with regard to flabort. What do you think a town NQT would do differently?
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