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[Iamblichos]

It was ineluctable.

[wierd]

"Your arrogance will be your downfall, mortal."

But still, meh-- I dont play with therapist. I just accept certain levels of inefficiency, and dont get bent out of shape about it. With how many things can go wrong in a fortress, overinvesting in specific specialists can (and often does) result in much red-faced anger (when they die in horrible, horrible ways, leaving you stranded), which I prefer not to experience.

Then again, I always was a generalist.

[Sadrice]

It's like you're faced with a set of stairs and an escalator. DT is using the escalator. Vanilla is the stairs, right? NO! Vanilla is looking at the stairs and escalator and going "Pff! Wusses!" and deciding the climb the outside of the building to your floor and break in a window.

DT doesn't do anything but take away from some tediousness. There's nothing special or honorable about looking at every individual dwarf, and micromanaging their jobs with the built in tools. One of the reasons this game has gotten so popular despite being difficult and foreign to most people is that the community is very accepting, elitism really goes against that spirit.

I don't judge people for using utilities (I love DT and always use it myself) or graphics packs, but at the same time, the attitude that the game is utterly unplayable without DT, and tilesets aren't good enough, you need full graphics sets to play at all seems, well, kinda pathetic.  I mean, really?  Clunky interface and occasionally cryptic creature glyphs are too hard?  Do you know what game you're playing?

[lorduberspaz]

OP SAYS:
Over many years of seeing the internetz deteriorate from what they once where, the dwarf fortress community is a rare pocket of high quality magnificence.

Therapist or not df is legendary. Thank you toady!

Ps I still always used it, my second fort got to hfs only because of therapist...Shameful display!
Ps this reminds me I must reply to the communst fortress thread from a while back... So sad and misinformed : necrothread pending. New release gives new life to silent watchers

[christopher1006]

While I could in theory play Fortress Mode without DT, I just don't consider it worth it. For me, it's important to understand exactly what my dwarves can do so I can make them as efficient as possible from the start. Until DT gets updated, I'll be wandering around Adventure Mode, softening up the world for future fortresses . . Well I will, once I stop running through doors in to Necromancer towers.

[rawtuf88]

Is there any ETA on when Therapist will be working?

[vjek]

Is there any ETA on when Therapist will be working?

Soon™

[arcturusthelesser]

WHEN WILL THEN BE NOW?

Soon™

[Verjigorm]

I made extensive use of DT in .34.  It's a good app.   But...  I refuse to let the chance to experience the awesome new hotness of .40 by waiting for new apps and tilesets to come out.   I learned enough of the game with the crutches and training wheels, and now I'll just power through the rest.   

Then again, I manage real world dwarfs, so I'm already used to the fact that you can't make everybody an expert, you can just stick'em where they cause the least harm. 

[lwCoyote]

When I first learned to play DF I used the base interface to do labour assigning; but since I came across Therapist, I switched to it and use it extensively. However, since I know how to do labour assignments the old fashioned way, as well as workshop profiles, I was able to play 40.01 without too much issue. At least until my FPS Dropped to 5, in the first summer of play. With a po pulation of 12. -_-

[Psieye]

Even without DT, I've never let an inferior skilled dwarf make an item when someone better is available. Workshop profiles (give workshop to specific dwarf or skill level), mass-toggle all hauling jobs at once, nicknames - I have everything I need to reasonably play DF. My nickname system makes sure I can see which important labours every dwarf has on the unit screen. As a bonus, announcements become much more informative.

But I really miss DT letting me assign 35-ish labours all at once with a single click. It's not a critical issue, it just means my nickname system has to be needlessly complicated. Not having DT means I have to compensate in how I organise my fort.

[palu]

I'm soft. I learned to play with Therapist and DFHack. I realize now how people have created such amazing things in DF. After banging your head against the default interface and slowly mastering it, I realized that after doing this, you can do anything. I can feel my beard growing as I wrestle with it. I never realized how much ‼Fun‼ this is.
If you can master the vanilla interface, you can do anything.

[yugy]

I never use graphics packs (learning new symbols would be actually harder for me) but I'm to casual to play without DT. I micromanage every dwarf, everybody in fortress have his exact job based on his skills, attributes and current needs of fortress. And current needs could change rapidly e. g. there was incident when I need literally everybody in fortress operate pumps at the same time. Or when only two dwarfs have enabled brewing, I need to be able to quickly check, that they are both dead and fortress is running out of supply. Or managing army - I have some elite troops, regular, recruits and reserves and I tend to shift dwarfs a lot based on their skills, threats, casualties, megaprojects etc. I don't want to spend all my time going through my dwarfs stats and mechanically checking or unchecking stuff. Why?

[Aerth]

I view people who can't get by without DT the same way I view fat people whining about having to walk to the bus. Yeah, walking is hard, it's not that hard. That being said I have a really laid back attitude when it comes to assigning labours. 'Does the fort need anything right now? No? Well then, you people get to go do whatever until further notice.' If you're more ocd about that kind of thing I suppose I understand your pain.

This. I, personnally stopped playing DF when Toady upgraded graphism to ASCII and input device to keyboard. What is next? Color? Decadence is truly upon us! It is inevitable!
Seriously, I am interested in populous fortresses nowadays and 250 or + dwarfs without therapist is too tedious with the current UI. So therapist all the way, and using tileset too.

[jcochran]

In my day, we didn't use these pansy keyboards. 
We used toggle switches to set the bits each word, like real men.
And didn't put up with no girly punch cards either.

I view people who use toggle switches the same way I view fat people whining about not being able to reach the remote control. I only play in the purest, most principled way by manually toggling bits on my processor with a needle.

Wimp.

http://xkcd.com/378/