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[smakemupagus]

Ah, got it.  Goblin Sawmill Shanty then.

[kamikazi1231]

Im not sure if there's a way of making magma proof pump stacks without huge amounts of metal. Would construction from magma proof blocks be possible? Maybe since a magma proof pipe of metal takes 3 bars from stone it could be 3 blocks and one bar for "rivets". Just an idea. Probably cheaper to just raid for magma source buildings.

[smakemupagus]

Glass is magma safe too, and if you lack sand you can goblin stonecutter -> grind rocks to sand.  Stained glass for extra style points ^^

I usually only bother with pumpstacks for magma weapons though, i find raiding for fluidcaster much more convenient most of the time, although it can be frustrating if the RNG messes with you.  There's a blood of armok -> fluidcaster foundation at the arcane forge too. 

a picture i like from the old thread

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the reservoirs are filled by fluidcaster, the incinerator pumps are orc'd manually.  Not the most efficient weapon really but who cares

[smakemupagus]

would a "make pump components from bars" efficient batch reaction help?  I'm not familiar with how many bars you have to use up if you craft the pump components at the forge.

[kamikazi1231]

would a "make pump components from bars" efficient batch reaction help?  I'm not familiar with how many bars you have to use up if you craft the pump components at the forge.

You know I totally forgot about glass.  I just remember some talk a while back that glass was "magma proof" in that it would sometimes melt.  I wasn't sure if that applied to stacks or not.

A batch reaction might be a cool addition.  It would take five bars.  It takes one bar for the screw, three for the pipe section, and one for the block, which I assumed would be made of metal because I also during that embark had no magma safe stone.  Lots of trees to burn down though.

Honestly though if glass is a workable option that's fine.  A goblin grinding rock into sand provides enough to get the job done I'm sure.

[smakemupagus]

Orcfort revision 1 for MDF 6.0
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6732

testing state: clean errorlog on embark

features
* rollback to an older magic system that worked more reliably
* various balance, continuity, unneccesary-complexity-reducing, & community suggested tweaks
* small boosts to underused buildings like human labor cell, heavy weapons armory, & tavern
* expanded gnomish Outlander tech.  Pillage diodes or run your own semiconductor sweatshop to unlock high tech crossbows, guns, and turret guns at Steamfoundry and heavy weapons lab
* some stuff to do with warpstone here and there

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V6.0.OF1

* Orcs grow to full size when they reach MDF adulthood (5)
* Mumakil have tougher skin and are more pain resistant (like Ologs)
* Bugfix: stickbomb usage hint (Attack)
* Remove NO_AGING (which doesn't exist?) from orcish magics
* Balance (nerf): ITEM_SHIELD_SHIELD replaces ITEM_SHIELD_KITE domestic, nethermill
*! Factory can still make both
* Continuity: remove kobold bola thrower from tribal crafter
*- Add domestic atlatl
*- Remove S&S atlatl
*- Expand S&S javelin options
*- Falcon society is now spear and atlatl ("peltast") - mod item and reac
* Balance (buff): Dawnstar & Evenstar enchants req only dreamtali, not soulgem
* Warclaws striker skill rather than dagger
* Damasc mithril battle & great axes; reax & entity
* Balance (buff) Bazaars require less furnature, added gold and silver bars, only Shadowbroker still requires human captive
*! Should be able to build on average, at least one bazaar per successful merchant shipping raid (more if you melt coins)
* Arcane forge uses weaponsmithing for "forge" reax.  "weave" reax are still runesmithing
* Continuity: cavebear society use dwarven axe
* Remove redundant "corsair arms" weapon item
*- Revert freelancer sales to pistol
*- Allow freelancers to add dagger to pistol to create ITEM_WEAPON_AIRGUN_BAY
* Balance (buff) increase rare loots for high-end gambling at tavern
*! Silver loot (gems) added additionally to gold stakes table
*! Silver and Gold loot (maps, longboats) added additionally to platinum stakes table (prisoners, raidgear)
* Dwarf Laborer can additionally mine for coal; reac and entity
* Human Laborer can additionally fence counterfeit tin, zinc, or lead coins for real shillings
* Simplify all foreign toolkits to a single type ITEM_TOOL_KIT_OUTLAND
*! Affects a number of reaction reagents; products of raids, bazaars, etc.
* fix: tribal crafter and soulgems should accept blood in pots, not just barrels
* Change to [DEFAULT_SITE_TYPE:CITY][LIKES_SITE:CAVE_DETAILED][TOLERATES_SITE:DARK_FORTRESS]

* rename the magic weapons along the following principles
*- adjective describes the spell enabled rather than a caste (since all mage castes can use each weapon anyway)
*- noun is "magestaff" for both that use missles ~~ "sigilblade" for both that use shards
* simplify dreamers' ammo, subbing out reax that involve ivy tendrils (redundant with missiles, both SPELLDRUID) and doomshards (redundant with bladeshards, both SPELLWRAITH)

* add Gnomish Labor Cell building
*- Gnome captive item; add to raid loot
*- Gnome labor makes diode from galena, pyrite, or copper-acid
*- Gnome labor makes outland toolkit from (diode, pulley, abacus, & hourglass)
* add CRAFT_PUMP_SET_ORC steamfoundry, entity permit
* remove outdated Prototype Golem reax steamfoundry, entity
* add DIODE and pulleys to loot table for gnome raid; removed automata parts from rare loot; increased odds of mech xbow
* alternate path to animate automata with bloodmagic or gnome-tech (soulgems or diodes) steamfoundry,
* Forge turrets using automata, brass, iron, ammo, outland tools; steamfoundry
* forge ratchet crossbow at Heavy Weapons Armory with gnomish device (previously the most unloved barbarian tech building?)
* upgrade musket to blaster with gnomish devices @ Heavy Weapons Armory
*- ITEM_WEAPON_MUSKET_BLASTER is a musket and uses gunner skill, but fires magic missles instead of bullets
*- several reax to make blaster ammo (magic missles) from steel and diodes + etc.
* Add HWA blueprint chance to Gnome raid loot (rare)

* TOBACCO_RAT_WEED_ORC at goblin muckraker - note i removed the dimension:150 from dwarf version - need test
* SMOKE_WATERPIPE_ORC at rogue tavern or meadhall

* Warpstone -> acid @ blacksmoke
* Synthetic kaolin @ blacksmoke

* add stage 0,1,2 graphics to boneforge
* add fuel requirement to ironbone/bloodsteel bar creation
* blood, bonemeal to fertilizer(6) @ boneforge
* TRAIN_SURGERY2 on skeletons -> bonemeal @ anatomical theatre

* Debug error log typos etc. induced by above

Experimental changes to fix/roll back to fully functional magic

* Fix: Revert dreamwalker specialization and spell learn reax to MDF3.x version - actually drop boulders, don't rely on "Rebalance project" lua thing
* Fix: item_shield: Remove dreamcatcher materials and replace with stormcrystal, necromantic, and medicine dc items
*- inorganic_z_orcfort: add to the ITEMSYNDROME material
*- reaction_orcfort: switch all dc craft, loot, and trade reax
*- remove lunacy dc from entity (phasing out spell - is meh compared to the other options)

[Gamerlord]

Mate your link isn't working. It's saying 'Error. You do not have permission to view or use this part of the archive.'

[smakemupagus]

hmm ok maybe i linked to the wrong page, give it another shot.  if not i'll reupload later in the weekend, I'm off for now
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6732

[Gamerlord]

Now it works.

[Illogical_Blox]

I thought Orcs were meant to be tough! My militia commander is currently lieing out in the wilderness with a badly injured leg and arm after a fight with a Giant Albratross. HE MAY NEVER WALK AGAIN.

Now for the weird part. No one is going out to get him (he's currently disabled) or the corpse of the albratross, and its not appearing in the job list, even though I have a hospital and refuse stockpile.

[smakemupagus]

re: albatross corpse, did you check the relevant standing orders? (gather refuse from outside, for example)
assisting wounded is a notoriously low priority job, there's nothing specific to orc mode about it though

was this guy armed?  giant albatross are, like, 4 times the size of a human or orc

[Illogical_Blox]

re: albatross corpse, did you check the relevant standing orders? (gather refuse from outside, for example)
assisting wounded is a notoriously low priority job, there's nothing specific to orc mode about it though

was this guy armed?  giant albatross are, like, 4 times the size of a human or orc

First part: heavy facepalm. THEY DON'T.
Second part: assist wounded just... isn't on the job list. He seems to be recovering, so hopefully he'll get up.
Question: he only had a wooden training sword. I HATE the fact that all creatures are one square in the game; it causes stuff like this!

EDIT: OK, he's in the hospital. Unfortunately, he has a grudge with the shaman. I guess he's annoyed at being left in the wilderness. 

[smakemupagus]

1) This is REALLY an orc.

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(Later, I also found an Uruk Uruk).

Figured this out finally.  Another odd little artifact of the orcs' Github era -- somebody added "[CASTE_PROFESSION_NAME:STANDARD:Orc:Orcs]" and etc. to every caste.  I wish those guys had kept change notes 

[Meph]

Github automatically keep change notes about every change, the thing is just that you need to understand github to find them. -.-

[smakemupagus]

Github automatically keep change notes about every change, the thing is just that you need to understand github to find them. -.-

aha.  that sort of makes sense