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Until I figure out how to un-close it, at least.

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So yeah.

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Voting closed: May 01, 2014, 02:06:40 pm

[smjjames]

Have another video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwBKK1dvAiM
Should be pretty self explaining.

Democracy!

Not entirely self explainatory, at least to those who don't speak Russian or Ukranian. Mostly I just see someone coming out of the building with the cameras following him and going out of range of the person with the camera, and also random people throwing stuff at him.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Democracy is a will of people. People did want to kill him:D  I So what is undemocratic here?

Jokes aside:

I said about that accident earlier. Unpleasant but when during a war you are publicly supporting actions of invading country you are provoking that.
Right Sector saved his skin. He thanked Right Sector for that.
Yeah, in Ukraine far-rights save pro-Russian politicians  who support the stuff happening in the eastern Ukraine

[Guardian G.I.]

According to Russian media, pro-Russian forces and Ukrainian troops were fighting at an airfield in Kramatorsk this afternoon - pro-Russian militias were attacked by Ukrainian Mi-24 attack helicopters, which then unloaded infantry at the runway. Apparently there was also a brief shootout between the two sides. Apparently Pro-Russian militias lost control of the airfield and retreated to Kramatorsk.
According to RIA Novosti, 4 people have been killed. They belonged to pro-Russian forces.
Pro-Russian forces also claim that Ukrainian armoured vehicles are currently moving at Slavyansk.

[smjjames]

According to Russian media, pro-Russian forces and Ukrainian troops were fighting at an airfield in Kramatorsk this afternoon - pro-Russian militias were attacked by Ukrainian Mi-24 attack helicopters, which then unloaded infantry at the runway. Apparently there was also a brief shootout between the two sides. The current situation is unclear.
According to RIA Novosti, 4 people have been killed. They belonged to pro-Russian forces.
Pro-Russian forces also claim that Ukrainian armoured vehicles are currently moving at Slavyansk.

CNN did say that the Ukranian military was moving east and doing anti-terrorist operations. So, they're probably correct about Ukranian forces moving towards Slavyansk, but whether there are tanks (which is likely what they are trying to imply) or not, I don't know. Armored personnel carriers are plausible though.

[Helgoland]

A reputable German newspaper talked about a few tanks outside I forget which city. Apparently Russian media aren't all propaganda

[GlyphGryph]

On the other hand, German newspapers are notoriously bad at being unable to tell the difference between tanks and APCs, aren't they?

[Ukrainian Ranger]

According to Russian media, pro-Russian forces and Ukrainian troops were fighting at an airfield in Kramatorsk this afternoon - pro-Russian militias were attacked by Ukrainian Mi-24 attack helicopters, which then unloaded infantry at the runway. Apparently there was also a brief shootout between the two sides.

Ukrainian media interpret the events differently - Ukraine controlled airbase was attacked, defenders got reinforcements and attackers retreated.

But it is a wartime now. Disinformation is common and necessary.

[miljan]

Looks like ukraine forces got back control over the airfield in Kramatorsk. Also, it seems like one ukraine helicopter is shot down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvVGA3SLFQw

Eddit:
Actually that video is fake. I can not find it in news anymore, so its removed probably because its fake

[misko27]

Spoiler: Here you go, another one (click to show/hide)

Have to bring this up again and say that I suddenly really want one with a UN theme. Although sometimes their couch forces are, in fact, their regular forces.

[Guardian G.I.]

In my opinion, the Ukrainian government will now try to crush the pro-Russian insurrection with all available means, being perfectly sure that the threat of further Western sanctions will deter Russia from responding.
However, Saakashvili in 2008 probably also thought the same when he gave the order to attack Russian peacekeepers in Tskhinvali. Unfortunately for him, Russia didn't let it pass. Heaven help Turchinov if Russia decides to disregard international outcry and intervene again.

[BlindKitty]

In my opinion, the Ukrainian government will now try to crush the pro-Russian insurrection with all available means, being perfectly sure that the threat of further Western sanctions will deter Russia from responding.
However, Saakashvili in 2008 probably also thought the same when he gave the order to attack Russian peacekeepers invaders in Tskhinvali. Unfortunately for him, Russia didn't let it pass. Heaven help Turchinov if Russia decides to disregard international outcry and intervene again.

Fixed that for you.

[Comrade P.]

Spoiler: Here you go, another one (click to show/hide)

Have to bring this up again and say that I suddenly really want one with a UN theme. Although sometimes their couch forces are, in fact, their regular forces.

Spoiler: The best thing I found for ya (click to show/hide)

It's kinda more relevant to US,  however. I guess.

[Darvi]

On the other hand, German newspapers are notoriously bad at being unable to tell the difference between tanks and APCs, aren't they?

German word for tank is "Panzer", which basically translates to "armour" which I assume an APC has.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Guardian G.I.  Do you release that in case of full-out Ukrainian-Russian war life of citizens of Belarus will become worse? Russian economy will receive a huge hit (even without any sanctions...), Ukrainian economy will collapse. Don't you think that it will influence Belarus in a rather negative way?

[Comrade P.]

UR, since you are closer to the action and you look like a person who is convinced it's going to be a big conflict, do you think it is going to be a Ukrainian-Russian war or Ukrainian Civil war?