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[Mictlantecuhtli]

And taking joy in the mutilative death of real people isn't something we should strive for.

If only the guy hadn't made an empire of it.

[Zangi]

What he's saying is that he's against the death penalty.

And taking joy in the mutilative death of real people isn't something we should strive for.

Meh, I am ambivalent to the death penalty itself. 
I'm more against the 'humane' part of the execution part.  Its just frivolously dressing up something that should not be 'sanitized', just so that it would be more palatable to those who condemn the person to it.  (Yea, I also believe that if you are willing to sentence someone to death, that you should also be the one to carry it out or at the least be physically present.)

[LeoLeonardoIII]

What he's saying is that he's against the death penalty.

And taking joy in the mutilative death of real people isn't something we should strive for.

Meh, I am ambivalent to the death penalty itself. 
I'm more against the 'humane' part of the execution part.  Its just frivolously dressing up something that should not be 'sanitized', just so that it would be more palatable to those who condemn the person to it.  (Yea, I also believe that if you are willing to sentence someone to death, that you should also be the one to carry it out or at the least be physically present.)

If the murderer is gonna be electrocuted the victims' families need to get on exercise bikes and generate the electricity. Cue them all slowly pedaling and taking breaks in shifts over the course of a year.

[Bauglir]

I'm more against the 'humane' part of the execution part.  Its just frivolously dressing up something that should not be 'sanitized', just so that it would be more palatable to those who condemn the person to it.  (Yea, I also believe that if you are willing to sentence someone to death, that you should also be the one to carry it out or at the least be physically present.)

Okay, then, I'm back to being confused. I don't think the only conceivable motive for a humane execution is that you're uncomfortable with the idea. I agree that you shouldn't hide the consequences of your decisions behind euphemisms - but that's only one reason for talking about humane executions, and it's far from the most compelling. As I was trying to illustrate before, if you think the death-by-acid method is more wrong than the death-by-headshot-while-asleep method, you understand on some level why it's preferable to execute people in as humane a way as possible.

What it sounds like you're saying is that executions should be somewhat messy so that the people responsible can't ignore the reality of ending a life, and while I agree with the goal you have in mind, I feel like the welfare of the executioner is somewhat less important here.

[Yoink]

I agree with Zangi. I was thinking about this last night- the whole idea of a 'humane' execution is silly.
You're still taking away someone's life, putting a big fat full stop on all their hopes, dreams and ambitions. I don't see the point of pussyfooting around and pretending like it makes a difference whether they suffer a couple of seconds of pain or not in the process.
 If the governing power is set on killing someone, they end up dead either way.

[WillowLuman]

Though it does matter to the person in question how painfully/traumatically they die.

[Bauglir]

Though it does matter to the person in question how painfully/traumatically they die.

This. Again, I think the death penalty is a Bad Idea. But given that it's a thing, I don't get why it seems okay to jump from "We've decided you need to die" to "Therefore, it doesn't matter how." Are you saying the acid thing is acceptable? If not, why, and how do you reconcile that explanation with what you're claiming?

It seems obvious that the end result isn't the only thing that matters, but maybe I'm missing something.

[Yoink]

Though it does matter to the person in question how painfully/traumatically they die.

For all of a few seconds tops as their severed head shuts down and dies, yes.
Note that I didn't say "torture is okay". I just said finding the most painless method of execution doesn't make a whole lot of difference if you're killing someone anyway.

[Bauglir]

I just said finding the most painless method of execution doesn't make a whole lot of difference if you're killing someone anyway.

I dunno, it seems to me that if it were me being executed, it'd make a lot of difference to me.

[WillowLuman]

I just said finding the most painless method of execution doesn't make a whole lot of difference if you're killing someone anyway.

I dunno, it seems to me that if it were me being executed, it'd make a lot of difference to me.

Precisely.

[Yoink]

Well. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
I'd be more concerned about entering the whole 'Dead' state of being than exactly how I got there.

[Bauglir]

Yeah, but that doesn't mean I won't worry about the how at all.

[misko27]

Well. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
I'd be more concerned about entering the whole 'Dead' state of being than exactly how I got there.

Obviously, but when that is a given the whole pain part is pretty bad too. I mean to die is to end, but pain is suffering. There are a lot more suicide deaths by gun in the united states, simply because guns are available and seen as a quick, easy end. I would go with firing squad given the choice. Not because it's less painful or something, it just seems more dignified somehow; despite being small, it would help me deal with the whole affair.

On a more Guzman related note, two things today: DNA tests have proven that it is in fact him, and not some lookalike (it's been a while since he was in custody); and he has won a temporary injunction from being extradited to the US. Such cases usually last a while.

[Descan]

I don't really understand why people interested in "humane" executions don't knock the prisoner out first... Seems to me it's less about what is actually humane and more about what looks humane. The pageantry of it all.

[WillowLuman]

Well. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
I'd be more concerned about entering the whole 'Dead' state of being than exactly how I got there.

Obviously, but when that is a given the whole pain part is pretty bad too. I mean to die is to end, but pain is suffering. There are a lot more suicide deaths by gun in the united states, simply because guns are available and seen as a quick, easy end. I would go with firing squad given the choice. Not because it's less painful or something, it just seems more dignified somehow; despite being small, it would help me deal with the whole affair.

On a more Guzman related note, two things today: DNA tests have proven that it is in fact him, and note some lookalike (it's been a while since he was in custody); and he has won a temporary injunction from being extradited to the US. Such cases usually last a while.

Damnit! I hope it gets overturned, this guy needs to be locked up for good, and for sure.