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[Mictlantecuhtli]

Life imprisonment means you can appeal forever.

And Hugo, that's still entirely dependent on where he goes. Which says quite a bit about our [sold to companies] justice system.

We know he'll get the best lawyer money can buy, a judge who is lazy and wants to get a name by 'throwing him away and locking up the key', and a prison where they give two types of fuck about justice, let alone for the families of the people this man has killed, mauled, raped, and otherwise entirely ruined the homelands of.

[LeoLeonardoIII]

Yeah the idea of privatized jails is pretty damn repugnant. But I can't tell whether that's because I normally hate the idea of privatized utilities and civic needs (such as water and sewer systems, electric services, police and fire, roads, parks, grade schools, military, foreign diplomacy, voting) or whether that's something normal people loathe too.

[Sheb]

What do you mean you can appeal forever? Once you've been sentenced by the appeal court, you're done. Or you mean parole hearing, that kind of stuff?

[Mictlantecuhtli]

What do you mean you can appeal forever? Once you've been sentenced by the appeal court, you're done. Or you mean parole hearing, that kind of stuff?

Appeals and habeus corpus petitions can always be found in the weeds to be filed. Which is why people like him pay lawyers so much, to give them a nearly-infinite list of reasons to appeal and file habeus corpus petitions. Not that they'd work for him at all, but they still have to render decision on every. Single. One.

It will also cause 'Drug Lord appeals' news articles that remind the family how this man is sitting in jail still with all his money and power.

[WillowLuman]

Life imprisonment means you can appeal forever.

And Hugo, that's still entirely dependent on where he goes. Which says quite a bit about our [sold to companies] justice system.

We know he'll get the best lawyer money can buy, a judge who is lazy and wants to get a name by 'throwing him away and locking up the key', and a prison where they give two types of fuck about justice, let alone for the families of the people this man has killed, mauled, raped, and otherwise entirely ruined the homelands of.

We've sent all the other one's we've got there. I see no reason why he wouldn't follow. It's not as if any appreciable fraction the American people like him, or he has it in with our media, unlike Bernie Madoff. We've got corruption, sure, but it's pretty biased. An American rich criminal, and maybe a European or Canadian one, might be able to secure amenities, but a foreign crime lord? They become "a threat to national security" and wind up in a Federal prison.

[Bauglir]

Yeah, this guy is fucked. Believe it or not, there are things that piles of money won't save you from, and being captured as a foreign drug lord is one of those things. The only people who could want him left with influence are privatized prisons (since he plays a role in ensuring their continued profitability by helping to ensure there's a constant supply of drug crimes to sentence people for), but he's too high profile to ever see one of those. Even if he did, I'm not willing to believe that anyone would actually be insane enough to take the risk of letting him keep running things - that is going to get found out eventually, and is sure as shit going to result in a loss of your contract and some pretty heavy penalties (because, yes, our system is so corrupt that that actually is the worst that would happen in that case). Better to let the power vacuum sort it out, from their perspective.

We already have empirical evidence that this is what happens to high profile drug lords, though. I'd like to see the evidence that he'll get something cushy.

[Sheb]

He was arrested by Mexicans, not Americans though.

[Bauglir]

Good point. I'd misunderstood the "was indicted in the United States" bit at the end of the linked article - that was probably referring to a previous thing. I don't really know, then. If he's extradited, then yeah, he resumes being fucked. If he's not, then I don't know Mexican politics well enough to conclude how important it is for the government to keep him imprisoned properly. He escaped once before, but I also don't know whether that makes a repeat more likely or not.

[Darvi]

If he's extradited, then yeah, he resumes being fucked.

I thought prison rape was just a horror story that parents tell their kids so they don't become criminals o_O

[Bauglir]

I did not mean that literally, but. It's a real thing. Real shitty, that is. It'd be nice if people cared, but there's so much "They're a criminal so they deserve whatever they get" sentiment floating around that nothing gets done about it.

[Playergamer]

I did not mean that literally, but. It's a real thing. Real shitty, that is. It'd be nice if people cared, but there's so much "They're a criminal so they deserve whatever they get" sentiment floating around that nothing gets done about it.

I'm just gonna sit over here, pretending I still lived in Norway so I don't have to think about this.

[WillowLuman]

Even if he remains in Mexico, the Mexican President's credibility depends on shutting him down. Nieto campaigned on putting an end to the Drug War, though he was against his predecessor's making it a military matter.

[LeoLeonardoIII]

Doesn't mean the guy won't get a suspiciously auspicious chance to escape.

[WillowLuman]

The Mexican Government suffers from corruption to a far greater degree than the US Government, but if everyone was in bed together, there wouldn't be a drug war. A second escape would have massive consequences, though I don't doubt some bought person might try to let him out. Then again, if they turn him over to the military, which is quite a bit less corrupt (but has other issues), he might die.

[Aqizzar]

Joint Mexican-U.S. operations were trying to catch Guzman for almost eight years, and every single time, he would escape through some backdoor or bolt hole or secret tunnel or identical safe house.  Every time the U.S. team would ask the Mexican authorities what happened they'd get the same bullcrap responses, to the point that one operations leader asked his translator in full earshot of the fluent Mexican leader, "How do you 'surround the place' in Spanish?"  Which is a very euphemistic way of asking, "Are any of you hombres not on the take?"

The funny thing is, when I come back to look at this thread, that poor guy was still worlds less cynical than about two thirds of you people.