Cazre: NQT - you asked why I didn't follow up to IG's non-response of question. that is because he is dead and corpses tell no tales.
Bullshit. He responded on Day 1 and you talked after he gave that answer.
lynching conferendates is a better strayteg imo
You're doing a terrible job of convincing us that you're not a confederate.
stuff, and nope. I'll vote NQT for rying to start a brw on me thouh.
This is pure OMGUS. Do you genuinely think I'm a confederate? Why? You've active-lurked all day and you undermine your own contributions. If you don't want to play then don't play.
WolfNQT: I can't say there is a clear message to be gained, no. TDS died before he could give a strong opinion.
So you can see where I'm coming from and you withdraw the accusation of WIFOMing? I'm glad he gave his reads though because in conjunction with the reads of everyone else an interesting picture emerges.
NQT:
So... could anyone tell me why we shouldn't lynch Caz?
Do you have something more substantial to say, or are you restricting yourself to small posts to avoid attention? Putting up a post asking others to lynch someone, and only that, without a solid accusation, is scummy, at least in my book.
I don't always have lots of time to post. But regardless, I had just prior to that put up more substantial post. In fact, if you look back, in the majority of my posts I address multiple other players. As I said, I've been waiting on reads. I've been tabulating the reads in order to see who is overall the scummiest:
Reads don't take into account the latest spate of voting.
Darkpaladin and Caz are the scummiest players according to the majority of the other players. Caz's vote on me is pure OMGUS, Tiruin's points have been addressed and I expect her to unvote when she's next in the thread. As for your latest case...
Since the game started you have been trying to eliminate the experienced players.
This neatly ignores my mid-Day 1 vote on Imperial Guardsman. Also, if you think, looking at Caz's play, that he's experienced then I think you need to look again. Scum have an incentive to kill
competent players. I beseech you to go read the Mafia Theory thread, then you'll see that Town in general suspect more players because they're actively looking for scum and they're less afraid of drawing attention to themselves. This is what I've been doing.
First and only vote D1: Tiruin, who is IC'ing in the current BM and ran the last one.
Did you even read the thread?! I voted
Scientist and
Imperial Guardsman. I've had a wider range of cases than anyone else in this game. Having a narrow range of cases or absolutely no cases is a scum tell.
First night kill: TDS, an active player with several months of experience. Next target, Caz, another player who's been around for a while.
If I were scum I'd get rid of the competent active players, like you, Solymr, MOWE or Cheese. That'd make more sense than DarkStar.
You like vote analysis so much? Then why don't you chew on that one for a little while.
Yes I do like vote analysis. Do you know what the major vote analytical scumtell is? The players that vote for the fewest unique targets are most likely to be scum. They are wary of drawing attention to themselves by targeting people. Good town players target the widest number of players because they genuinely suspect everyone.
Number of players targeted:
4: NQT
3: Wolf
2. Caz
1. MOWE, Cheese, Tiruin, Solymr, IG
0. Scientist, SBC, DarkPaladin, DarkStar (though he did cast 2 FOS's)
This metric becomes more reliable the later on the days go, so shouldn't be taken as final now.
Based on my own reads then, I'm going to
unvote Caz and vote
Dark Paladin as the overall most scummiest player (most suspected generally and also one of the lowest contributors in votes). Caz might yet well be scum, but we should probably lynch targets in order of suspiciousness.
Dark Paladin, if you want to turn this around, give us your reads on everyone and make a case.
And while you're at it, could you explain why you chose Tiruin over ALL OF THE OTHER LURKERS. SBC contributed even less that day, but you gave him a pass in favor of lynching the more experienced player. You spent most of the day trying to convince us to lynch lurkers, most of whom had more experience than the active players.
I've already explained why I voted Tiruin. But, here, let me remind you. This is what I said at the time:
Tiruin
Addressing the stuffs later on.
I look forward to seeing this. We don't have forever left in the day so don't take too long. Before you ask 'is this a pressure vote?', yes, it is a pressure vote. You've posted a grand total of once since the game began. I can understand that real life can get in the way, that's OK, but I'd really like to see a bit more from you before the end of the day.
So you see
at the time of my vote, Tiruin had contributed the least in the game. I wanted to hear more from her, so I laid down a pressure vote. This is a legitimate strategy for inducing players to contribute. For a pressure vote to have force then you have to carry it out if they don't deliver, Tiruin didn't deliver so I kept the vote. Now sure, by the end of the day, SBC had contributed less, but also by the end of the day it wasn't as if switching ym vote to him would have done anything. And you'll see that I didn't ignore him completely. Unlike most of the other players in this game, I'm trying hard to keep tabs on everyone and encourage people to contribute:
Superblackcat, DarkPaladin
You've both posted a total of three times since the game began. Do you plan to use your vote before the day ends? Who do you think is the most suspicious player?
That's why you said on day one that you didn't think that Solymr was scum. He's not as much of a threat to you, in your opinion, whereas some others might be. You said how you believed IG to be just a poor town player, and lo and behold, he was scum. I think that he had your advice on his seemingly suicidal unvote and shorten, which you then PROCEEDED TO DEFEND as "he's probably not scum, guys, he has no self-preservation".
You'll see that, as the town cop,
I made the exact same defence of a suicidal player (who, lo and behold, turned out to be town) over a year ago. I was wrong this time.
The plaintiff rests his case.
It pleases me that you've put a lot of effort into trying to figure things out and get to the truth. This is good play. BU#ut good play also involves not becoming emotionally invested in your own cases and recognising where you're wrong. And you are wrong about this, as hopefully I've been able to clearly show. Your argument rests on the faulty premise that I've only been targeting experienced players, and also that a player that makes strong use of their vote is scummier than players that don't vote at all. Reflect deeply Wolf, do you really think I'm the scummiest player in the game?
CheeseWell, frick. I was about to consider voting Caz, except for the fact that he always frelling acts like this in every game I've read/played with him, but Wolf makes a pretty compelling point, I hadn't even considered that. I'm really wanting to see your response to that, NQT.
Caz always acts like this? Interesting. What do you think of my reply to Wolf?
I didn't know he was scum. The way that Solymr was wording his questions seemed to me like he was pretty convinced that IG was scum, so I went on with my line of questioning under the assumption that he was. Since Solymr never thought to point this out like you have now, it made it look (to me at least) like he wasn't going to argue the point, since it seemed as if he were already sure of the fact.
But after the NK on DarkStar, which made no sense to me, at least from a "Solymr is scum" perspective, I decided that maybe he simply didn't think of it in that light.
That puts your comments into a bit more perspective, thanks.
Yeah, I overlooked that one. SBC hasn't really seemed scummy to me (or present) so I guess I wasn't focusing on them as much as other people. And yeah, I think it's notable, but not enough to warrant a lurk-lynch if that's what you're getting at.
Well, we've got so many inactive players right now that it's probable best to get rid of the more suspicious of the active lurkers first.
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