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[Guardian G.I.]

Also, History shows that Russians never complained against a war. Unless it was not as victorious as they expected

The Soviet-Polish war of 1919-1921 was definitely not victorious and resulted in Soviets being defeated, yet pretty much no one in Soviet Russia complained about it for some reason.

[da_nang]

Also, History shows that Russians never complained against a war. Unless it was not as victorious as they expected

Last I heard, WWII was pretty unpopular. :p

Actually, question time for our Russian friends: What would be the typical view on stuff like the Winter War? Mistake of the past, or justified war for whatever reason?

With the Mainila bombing, I'd say it's pretty unjustified. But then again, I'm not a Russian.

[Sheb]

So your opinion of the war is that it's all fine, except for that bit where Russians died? 

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Speaking about domestic popularity. Russia is doomed to have huge economic problems if not now then few years later. It has an outdated and corrupted economy, Gas and Oil can't provide economical growth forever.

There are no better excuse than a war\sanctions to explain why country hits recession.
Else they'll need to admit that Putin's way to manage economy are not better than  Yeltsin's. The only difference is that Yeltsin had no Bush to spike oil prices with wars (Yes, I know it is not the only reason why oil prices went up)

[Knit tie]

Winter war was a particularly poorly planned and unsuccessful landgrab. Everything we tried to accomplish could have been done much better peacefully.

[Sheb]

But you see nothing wrong about a landgrab per se?

[Guardian G.I.]

Winter war was a particularly poorly planned and unsuccessful landgrab. Everything we tried to accomplish could have been done much better peacefully.

unsuccessful landgrab

Spoiler: Finnish territories handed over to USSR according to 1940 Moscow Peace Treaty ending the Winter War (click to show/hide)

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Considering that the plan was to annex all Finland. Yep. Unsuccessful
(You don't create a puppet government if you don't plan to annex)

Finland is a great example that you must fight even if the war looks hopeless

[Mr. Strange]

Spoiler: Finnish territories handed over to USSR according to 1940 Moscow Peace Treaty ending the Winter War (click to show/hide)

I have to point out that naval base in Hanko and area around it was rented to USSR for several decades, not "handed over" like the islands in the gulf other marked territory.

Winter war was a particularly poorly planned and unsuccessful landgrab. Everything we tried to accomplish could have been done much better peacefully.

And I'll have to disagree on this one. Given the near-facistic goverment in Finland at the time, and Soviet support in the civil war to the side that wanted to join USSR, I don't think there was any chance for Finland to peacefully cede any territory for Russia.

[olemars]

I wonder if Putin's popularity might drop a little when people catch on that the money needed to run Crimea will be drawn from the state welfare fund and regional budgets (Krasnodar Krai gets to be first).

Winter war was a particularly poorly planned and unsuccessful landgrab. Everything we tried to accomplish could have been done much better peacefully.

And according to Putin, the winter war was to "correct mistakes" too. Is there a list somewhere of mistakes that remain to be corrected?

Without the winter war there would not have been the continuation war, with hundreds of thousands of deaths and lots of troops tied up in the north that were needed elsewhere.

[miljan]

I wonder if Putin's popularity might drop a little when people catch on that the money needed to run Crimea will be drawn from the state welfare fund and regional budgets (Krasnodar Krai gets to be first).

Well, did russia pay ukraine for basses in crimea? If yes, than they could use that money for crimea it self if its a lot

[Mr. Strange]

Well, did russia pay ukraine for basses in crimea? If yes, than they could use that money for crimea it self if its a lot

I think it was large discount on Russian gas, not actual money.

[miljan]

Well, did russia pay ukraine for basses in crimea? If yes, than they could use that money for crimea it self if its a lot

I think it was large discount on Russian gas, not actual money.

Well in a way thats also money 

[olemars]

The rent was about $100 million annually. The direct cost of running Crimea is expected to be at least $2.2 billion annually, but likely to be much higher.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

I wonder if Putin's popularity might drop a little when people catch on that the money needed to run Crimea will be drawn from the state welfare fund and regional budgets (Krasnodar Krai gets to be first).

Well, Krasnodar Krai has no right to complain after Sochi...

I am more interested how will Crimeans feel several months  later. Visited one Crimean very pro-Russian forum and they dislike some stuff already. Like EU promising that there are will be no Visas for Russian citizens from Crimea, no Ukrainians trains arriving in Crimea, inability to take money from Ukrainian banks and some other stuff. Of cause they  blame bad Ukrainian government that just want to create problems for Crimeans not great Putin.

PS. I think the  next summer touristic season in Crimea will be very successful