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« Reply #3915 on: March 27, 2014, 03:02:33 am »

Well, given the Russians' willingness to take over Crimea, I wonder what was their opinion of a previous landgrab (although admittedly one where the population wasn't exactly willing).
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« Reply #3917 on: March 27, 2014, 05:43:31 am »

An interesting German article on the diplomatic solution of the Crimean crisis.
Germans will do anything to avoid war nowadays. Large parts of the population even oppose interventions like the one in Kosovo - even when choosing between "Nie wieder Krieg" and "Nie wieder Auschwitz", they choose the former.
If a German says that war must be avoided at all cost, it's generally a waste of time to listen to them.
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« Reply #3918 on: March 27, 2014, 05:46:19 am »

Also, any Russian propagandist would have a field day with this French article.
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Please tell me this isn't a mainstream French newspaper. I don't want ACTUAL reasons to hate the French. English hating French joke in there. I don't actually hate French people.
I'm pretty sure that's an humorous article.
Edit : after reading the article again, it's definitely satire, and he's certainly supporting the Crimean annexation (or however you call it).
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« Reply #3919 on: March 27, 2014, 06:37:36 am »

Yeah, it's satire. When someone is quoting Hitler as a role model he is rarely serious. :p
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« Reply #3920 on: March 27, 2014, 07:13:24 am »

Yeah, I know enough French to recognise that that's satire (darn translation server error, forcing me to think :P).
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« Reply #3921 on: March 27, 2014, 09:36:28 am »

Holy crap, so many posts.

Well, it looks like there will not be a war in Ukrain. Hope it will stay that way.
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« Reply #3922 on: March 27, 2014, 10:20:18 am »

Having East and West Ukraine ain't such a good outcome though.
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« Reply #3923 on: March 27, 2014, 12:40:51 pm »

Having East and West Ukraine ain't such a good outcome though.

Technically there already is an East and West Ukraine, though there's also East-East Ukraine which is now a part of Russia.
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« Reply #3924 on: March 27, 2014, 12:57:43 pm »

Having minor regional differences in a country is a good thing. Differences mean competition, competition means progress.

Russia may hope that Ukraine will split in two countries but it is hard to achieve. Only Donetks and Luhansk regions are problematic. Some people here feel themselves very different to the rest of Ukrainians. But the same people feel themselves different to Russians. That may be a birth of a new nation of people who are neither Ukrainians nor Russians. 6.5 millions is enough for such processes.
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« Reply #3926 on: March 27, 2014, 02:51:24 pm »

We must conclude, there is a conflict between the Right Sector and the official pro-European gov-t of Ukraine.
Also, I've seen many Ukrainian posts (example: http://censor.net.ua/forum/697916/pravyyi_sektor_nachal_shturm_rady/sortby/tree/order/desc/page/1#comments) saying, that the Right Sector are pro-Russian agents... That's quite a turn of mind!
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« Reply #3927 on: March 27, 2014, 02:56:13 pm »

Also, I've seen many Ukrainian posts (example: http://censor.net.ua/forum/697916/pravyyi_sektor_nachal_shturm_rady/sortby/tree/order/desc/page/1#comments) saying, that the Right Sector are pro-Russian agents... That's quite a turn of mind!
And a perverted one. Those guys might be anything but Russian agents. Or they just pretend extremely well to be anti-Russian Ukrainian nationalists.
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« Reply #3928 on: March 27, 2014, 03:11:35 pm »

Right Sector
pro-Russian

I wonder what did these guys smoke. Must be some good stuff.
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« Reply #3929 on: March 27, 2014, 03:12:35 pm »

Yes there are conflict. Yep it exist. Because you know, Maydan was a revolution against police brutality. That what started the whole thing, not EU or even corruption of Yanukovich. And what we see month later after the victory? Lack of any real reforms of police. ZERO arrests of officers responsible for violence and tortures. Very few arrests of Pro-Russian collaborators that destabilize situation in eastern regions and finally a murder of one of Far-Right leaders and guerrilla warfare specialists (Who needs his death most?). His resistance during arrest looks like a typical fairy tale.

Police are same bastards as they were, if current interior minister is unable to change it for better then he must go. One month is enough to see his inability to make positive changes. Let's forget that Yanukovich downfall started after he rejected to remove interior minister on December 2013. If that government think that due to the threat of Russian invasion they can do anything... That is wrong

Oh, and nothing bad happened, there are no assault of parliament, molotovs or something like that. Peaceful protests but with demands and radical slogans
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