And while we're at that, the USSR did not suppress Ukraine specifically, despite what a few revisionists might say. It suppressed any and all nationalism within its borders, because nationalism makes empires fall apart.
Which makes the Ukranians feel better, how?
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I'd comment, but I suspect I'm missing the punchline.
There can be no Soviet nationalism because the Soviet Union was not a nation. Fanaticism, maybe, but not nationalism. The Union was united by communist ideology first, and Russian culture (whatever that was after our Civil War) second.
1. How are you defining "nation," then?
2. Does it matter? You're basically saying that if the USSR was a nation, they would be nationalist.
Why are the far-right radicals refusing to disarm, then, even after a direct order from the new government?
I think we need to review the definitions of "far" and "radical"...
First confirmed defection - commander of Ukrainian Navy switched sides, no info on how officers under his command reacted on that...
"Rear Admiral Denys Berezovsky was only made head of the navy on Saturday, as the government in Kiev reacted to the threat of Russian invasion."They may have reacted...poorly.
When the commander of your entire Navy defects, it's a... rather telling event, I think.
No one followed his orders. We got new commander. That one will face tribunal or live in Russia. No problem.
In theory, yes. In practice...well, let's see hwo the navy reacts and how the whole invasioney thing ends up.
If you haven't noticed we are getting ready for defending against a full scale invasion. And having guerrillas is essential because we have no good army to stop Russian war machine in conventional warfare
It's not ideal circumstances by any means. Not much cover in the countryside
[citation needed], not much time to train, and the enemy troops are experienced with your best defenses. General Winter applies as much to the Russians as the Ukranians...
a positive kind of (...) nationalism
That's a thing now?
Owlbread talks a lot about founding a kind of civic nationalism that focuses on the self-improvement of a nation rather than the plain assertion of its superiority.
That would be nice.
Edit: and today your chief commander of fleet swore to serve to Crimean people and ordered all your navy to do the same or sign out, by the way. Freshest.
And what power does he have to enforce this?
And people stopped talking to me, not the guy who fantasize about killing russians. next thing you guys do is justify it by calling him a brave freedom fighter.
Russia did just kind of invade his country with the probable intent of permanently taking a chunk out of it, and probably undoing the successes of the recent protests/revolution in the rest. I'm not saying fantasizing about killing people in warfare is right, but I understand where he's coming from.
The justification begins.
The refusing to actually have a conversation and condemning the rest of you begins.
We made it almost a hundred pages. That's better than most corners of the Internet would have gotten.
I know don't have much voice here as it is not my country that is facing the crisis, but I think the amount of hostility in this thread is really rising to dangerous limits.
Hostility? In a thread about politics, in a situation where one of the concerned nations is invading the other?
Shocker!
But yeah. If this gets shut down, where will I snark about people's reactions to the invasion while being secretly concerned and wondering if this will become the next big disaster?
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