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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #1290 on: March 02, 2014, 06:20:55 am »

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Also, nobody cares any more if he gets back or not.
Is Russian Ambassador in UN nobody?
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #1291 on: March 02, 2014, 06:28:13 am »

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Also, nobody cares any more if he gets back or not.
Is Russian Ambassador in UN nobody?
Actually, yup. He is required to make offended noises at the UN, but the focus of the situation has shifted already.

My point is that if anybody in Russia or Crimea preferred the Proffesor to Poxface, it's just because one prefers a small crock of shit to a large bucket of shit. The nature of the vessel's contents does not change.

Also, somebody's nitpicking.
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #1292 on: March 02, 2014, 06:32:02 am »

Actually everyone one was expecting Russia to go on to Tbilisi and topple Saakashvili. After all, they got to Gori, why stop there? I should go and ask my dad exactly why he stopped, but strong diplomatic intervention by NATO guys did stop some shit (like that time a company of Russian army disappeared after stealing Georgian uniforms, and Sarkozy got on the phone with Putin).
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #1293 on: March 02, 2014, 06:33:55 am »

Actually everyone one was expecting Russia to go on to Tbilisi and topple Saakashvili. After all, they got to Gori, why stop there? I should go and ask my dad exactly why he stopped

... your father is VLADIMIR PUTIN?!?!
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #1294 on: March 02, 2014, 06:35:10 am »

(like that time a company of Russian army disappeared after stealing Georgian uniforms, and Sarkozy got on the phone with Putin).
I must know more. :o

Seriously, I haven't heard about this before. What was the deal?
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #1295 on: March 02, 2014, 06:36:02 am »

Actually everyone one was expecting Russia to go on to Tbilisi and topple Saakashvili. After all, they got to Gori, why stop there? I should go and ask my dad exactly why he stopped

... your father is VLADIMIR PUTIN?!?!
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #1296 on: March 02, 2014, 06:44:29 am »

The most I can see EU doing about this whole situation is annexing Serbia just to spite Russia.
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #1297 on: March 02, 2014, 06:46:08 am »

Quote from: Ukraine's acting Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk

 "This is actually a declaration of war to my country. We urge Putin to pull back his troops from this country and honour bilateral agreements. If he wants to be the president who started the war between two neighbouring and friendly countries, he has reached his target within a few inches."
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #1298 on: March 02, 2014, 06:51:47 am »

So this is it.
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #1299 on: March 02, 2014, 06:53:49 am »

Quote from: Ukraine's acting Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk

 "This is actually a declaration of war to my country. We urge Putin to pull back his troops from this country and honour bilateral agreements. If he wants to be the president who started the war between two neighbouring and friendly countries, he has reached his target within a few inches."


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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #1300 on: March 02, 2014, 07:00:50 am »

The he referred to Putin, not my dad. Avis: not surprising as nothing happened in the end. Of course, everything is hazy (fog of war you know, and it was 6 years ago so I don't remember it all), but basically during the invasion the Russian took over a number of Georgian army base, and in one of them a Russian units (don't remember exactly the size) complete with enough supply trucks to operate autonomously for days suddenly disappeared after going to one of those base, when they were weird reports of Georgian soldiers where they weren't supposed to be any.

Of course, all of this scream "false flag". At that point the French ambassador (who was really supportive) phoned Sarkozy, who phoned Putin telling him he knew, and the troops reappeared.

Now, I'm aware that I don't have sources, so feel free not to believe me, but something similar would be possible in Crimea (after all the Russians did take over Ukrainian Army bases, right?) and that's the kind of stuff that firm diplomacy can avert.

Also, this must be the first time in history that a country waited for a couple of days for the enemy to really get into place before mobilizing and saying "Hey, this is war you know!".

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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #1301 on: March 02, 2014, 07:02:15 am »

I sincerely hope that the Ukrainians won't start the war, but if they do, then may God grant them victory and help them defend their homeland.
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #1302 on: March 02, 2014, 07:10:31 am »

Anti-war protests are happening, including in Moscow.

This might turn out to be a massive shot in the foot for Putin; his popularity had been declining slowly but steadily for years, and while recent protests against Putin were political, now there's the added factor of 'We don't want to die in a nuclear fire/war you dumbass'
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #1303 on: March 02, 2014, 07:11:57 am »

Anti-war protests are happening, including in Moscow.

This might turn out to be a massive shot in the foot for Putin; his popularity had been declining slowly but steadily for years, and while recent protests against Putin were political, now there's the added factor of 'We don't want to die in a nuclear fire/war you dumbass'
Yup, most russians don't want to fight. Crazy, I know.
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #1304 on: March 02, 2014, 07:14:20 am »

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Well, could have happened, though the Georgians did enough before the war was declared that false flag operations would not be required. But whatever, I'm not an expert on military tactics.

I sincerely hope that the Ukrainians won't start the war, but if they do, then may God grant them victory and help them defend their homeland.
Very prudent and flowery of you. I also think they can defend their homeland all they like - as long as it does not include my father's homeland.
And I sincerely hope nobody starts the war. It won't go well for nobody, considering the state of relations between Russia and the rest of the world, as well as the state of the Ukrainian military.

Anti-war protests are happening, including in Moscow.

This might turn out to be a massive shot in the foot for Putin; his popularity had been declining slowly but steadily for years, and while recent protests against Putin were political, now there's the added factor of 'We don't want to die in a nuclear fire/war you dumbass'
Pro-war ones are also happening. Putin generally rides out on being polarizing. I don't think this is actually going to change anything for his reputation. But that's just my observations.
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