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[scrdest]

Yeah, in Eastern Europe the ultras are more like paramilitaries than sports clubs' fans.

Correction: in Eastern Europe, this distinction is pointless.

[Owlbread]

Are these the people the Eastern European state governments refer to as "Hooligans"?

[XXSockXX]

Yes. Here I think there may be some distinction between the terms (Ultras = hardcore fans, Hooligans = violent thugs), but for practical effect it's often pretty much the same, especially in Eastern Europe.

[10ebbor10]

So western Ukraine sees widespread support for the cause, and in Eastern Ukraine it's just anti government paramilitary seeing an opportunity?

Anyway, there was talks of a general strike at some point. Did that end up happening?

[scrdest]

So western Ukraine sees widespread support for the cause, and in Eastern Ukraine it's just anti government paramilitary seeing an opportunity?

Anyway, there was talks of a general strike at some point. Did that end up happening?

It seems to be moving eastward slowly.

Although, the thing is, a lot of the people in east Ukraine are ethnically Russian, mostly people who were sent there during the Soviet Union era and their children, and so are fine with the pro-Russian policy and they have been mostly supportive of Yanukovych for several elections, whereas western Ukraine is predominantly ethnically Ukrainian with some Polish minority mixed in at the far western side, who support EU and oppose Russia, and central Ukraine with Kiev is mixed, but favoring pro-Western policy.

[XXSockXX]

I've wondered about the general strike too. The opposition has called for one, but it's never mentioned to be happening in reports, so I guess it is not happening so far.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Idea of general strike when
a) there are huge unemployment in country
b) There are no independent trade unions
c) Most people have no cash reserves
is borderline idiotic. Of cause it never worked

[10ebbor10]

Opposition (Arseniy Yatsenyuk) could get the position of prime minister.

Doubt if that will be enough to stop the protests. I'm not confident in the capability of the opposition to control the protest.

[GreatJustice]

Anyhow, most of the industry is located in the east and south, where people are, if not supportive, somewhat apathetic to Yanukovych and company. It doesn't help that the Oranges basically screwed the East over when it power, part of why Yanukovych has any support at all.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Opposition (Arseniy Yatsenyuk) could get the position of prime minister.

Yep. IMO That would be more than enough two weeks ago, but now.... That will be seen as a betrayal from Yatsenyuk and nothing more
As I read on one Ukrainian forum - What? 6 dead, dozens missing, hundreds injured = the price for a better seat for his ass. No way

More amusing news - Party of Regions is "outlawed" by two regional councils. I think someone is too hotheaded and overconfident... 

[Kicior]

I think that Yatsenuk agreeing is the best option for Yanukowych - everyone will be "victorious" but some people wil accuse Yatsenuk of betrayal (the response will be probably "I agreed so no more people will get killed") other will be disappointed because everyone will be expecting too much and the responsibility will be shared.

[Helgoland]

German media report that Klitschko turned down the offer, also that munitions used against protestors were analyzed - apparently some anti-vehicle (!) projectiles were found, which is incinsistent with an intent to kill.

[scrdest]

Just in, Yatseniuk declined the offer.

[misko27]

Idea of general strike when
a) there are huge unemployment in country
b) There are no independent trade unions
c) Most people have no cash reserves
is borderline idiotic. Of cause it never worked

It worked in Weimar Germany (forced an early fascist coup to flee the country in frustration), and hell they were even worse economically. That was called out by the legitimate government though, and Germans are, well, rule-followers.

[Detonate]

German media report that Klitschko turned down the offer, also that munitions used against protestors were analyzed - apparently some anti-vehicle (!) projectiles were found, which is incinsistent with an intent to kill.

Also, armor-piercing shotgun rounds fired into crowds of protesters in case someone needs a link. We're probably talking about the same thing, though.